Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Because PvP. Hunting miners must continue unabated. It really is as easy as that. Depressing, yes. I agree completely with the rest of your point, but am afraid that - contrasted to miner killing - its entirely irrelevant.

Have read most of these post and not just the dev post and it seems 50/50 half want tanks and defense and the other half pvp ganker mostly want easier kills well how about this give concord the ability to pod in high sec make gankers think twice if they have to replace the clone as well

so make clones cost more and lower the SP free ones can hold not as if you really need to 900k for your first clone.

it's just getting to the point now where new players are quitting not because they get killed as **** that's part f eve but now ganking miners is becoming a joke and is removing new blood from the game making it stale.

If people quit because their mining ship got ganked then they wouldn't have stayed in Eve anyway. Besides, miner ganking has been made harder and harder over the years, pre-barge/exhumer rebalance those ships exploded if you looked at them in a funny way, they are much much harder to kill now.

Those that learn from the kill and adapt (=tanking their ship, flying a ship that is better protected against random attacks) are the people Eve needs, not people who rage-quit after losing a ship. And last I checked, Newbies start out in 0.9/1.0 security status systems where ganks generally aren't happening, the designated newbie systems have very strict rules in place that concern ganking newbies. If they choose however to go into more dangerous space without taking the proper precautions, then I don't see why you blame the gankers for it.



There isn't a high reward for mining in high-sec either and still a lot of people are doing it.



Many organized gankers are people that actively fight in low- or null-sec. And even if they didn't, they take the same risk as the miner since the typical gank-catalysts are themselves profitable to gank.



If 0.0 is so safe and empty, why don't the miners go there and mine?

Don't forget that they have a 50m3 bay with 50bandwidth...so they can fly a Gecko if they want to get the bling out...with the drone bonus they're getting the Skiff is going to be a real killer...

because the isk/hour is just as ****, and it's a hell of a lot more hassle.

Inertia stabs. I hate 15+ second align times and manage enough tank in my mids.

However with cap nerf idk how that will go now, running a small SB.

As a player that does mostly pve and mining I have this to say to all the people wanting to make it harder to gank miners in highsec... HTFU.

Seriously, the one and only time I lost a hulk to gankers in highsec, I moved out of highsec and never looked back. You need to quit whining about 'fairness' and 'safety' and realize that any time you undock from a station you become a valid target for anyone willing to pay the penality for ganking you. Fairness will never exist in eve cause you will always have someone with more SP and isk than you. If you want safety, move out of highsec and join a corp or alliance where you will have people there to keep you from getting ganked.

The whole point we're trying to make is that the penalty to ganking someone is extremely out of proportion. The penalty to gank a 250mil isk Exhumer is 10mil isk tops. Of course any time you undock you're a valid target, however in the case of doing your best to mitigate that risk, for mining ships there is extremely little room in that you can change that ratio.

If you don't agree, please name something else that carries as much or greater risk when undocking in high sec. Or at least as much penalty for what it takes to be ganked.