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Can IGS Posts Meet A Minimum Standard of Intellectual Honesty?
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Johanes Beaumonte
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#21 - 2014-05-20 17:12:24 UTC
Matar Ronin wrote:
It seems to be quite the fashion here on IGS to speak of “other” people, our fellow humans, as if they are somehow by the very nature of their birth within certain political spheres or ethnic groups somehow lesser then whatever group or category we were either born into or migrated to ourselves.

I would like to put that foolish notion to rest once and for all, humans as a specie are generally equal in capacity on average. There is no legitimate quantifiable empirical data that has ever indicated otherwise.

Certainly political & religious spheres create patterns of social behavior that become readily identifiable with some people raised under their influence, but these are just that, patterns of behavior, not inate genetic destiny or limitations.

I would like to challenge all those who speak here on IGS to meet the minimum standard of intellectual honesty when posting about groups of people that are “other” than themselves, to apply all the rights, privileges, capacity, and humanity they attribute to themselves to the “others” equally. If that standard is met I think it will elevate the overall conversation here on IGS.

The popular and powerful religious, nationalistic, and ethnic chest thumping will have it's place as indicators of our individual patterns of behavior but they will no longer be allowed to masquerade as proven scientific facts.

I will attempt to have my future posts reflect this more intellectually balanced standard and I both invite and challenge you to join me in doing so.


This is the IGS. Not possible. Might as well try to cast swine before girls. Or is it cast pearls before swine? I can never remember.
Wendrika
Doomheim
#22 - 2014-05-20 17:42:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Wendrika
Everyone says that I'm suposed to be smart and good with machines, but I'm not. Is that bad? Is that being dishonest? I'd love the be brave, strong and an excellent pilot, I really would! But right now I'm just content of being able to afford a research laboratory filled with gadgets and gizmos for me to play with and a ship to fly in. And I got to meet so many people in the meantime.

Like Mister Nauplius for example. He is a mean monster, that says he hates me for being born the way I am, but I don't hate him or even dislike him. He is very passionate with his scriptures and preaching, however, but he could use more friends. I'd be more friendly to him if he didn't thought of it as an insult.

Miss Kim on the other hand, is the coolest pilot I know and I want to be just as cool as her! She takes no nonsense from anyone, loves the people she protects and upholds their way of life! Like a superhero! Everyone thinks she is wierd and overzealous though, and like to make fun of her way of thinking. I don't think that's very nice...

But I figure if everyone I meet in space is on top of the transhumanism pyramid, being quirky and passionate about their lives and activities is the only way we can stand out as individuals. And that's okay! We should accept everyone for what they are, even if we think what they do is wrong.
Synthetic Cultist
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#23 - 2014-05-20 17:58:07 UTC
It is Written, in the Apocryphon, that All may become Chosen, that All people are Equal in Gods Kingdom.

Synthia 1, Empress of Kaztropol.

It is Written.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#24 - 2014-05-20 18:10:53 UTC
Synthetic Cultist wrote:
It is Written, in the Apocryphon, that All may become Chosen, that All people are Equal in Gods Kingdom.


Please don't forget, that gallenteans shouldn't be considered as people, beucause they are not humans, but subhumans.

Oh, and sanshas are just brainless drones, run by programs or commands through their network.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#25 - 2014-05-20 20:22:12 UTC
Wait... Matar Ronin making sense?!

Good grief, there may be hope that the Minmatar Empire finally stops it's war against the Amarrian Federation someday after all.

Also, anyone else notice anything weird happening with their clone infomorph transfer thingies lately?

http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0
N'maro Makari
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#26 - 2014-05-20 21:04:54 UTC
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
Wait... Matar Ronin making sense?!

Good grief, there may be hope that the Minmatar Empire finally stops it's war against the Amarrian Federation someday after all.

Also, anyone else notice anything weird happening with their clone infomorph transfer thingies lately?


The words "Amarrian" and "Federation" don't seem to sit well together. Rather confusing, but probably a mistake.

**Vherokior **
Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
#27 - 2014-05-20 21:31:00 UTC
I was slightly more perturbed by the "Minmatar Empire". Apparently something awesome went down and I missed out on it.

Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#28 - 2014-05-20 21:37:56 UTC
Jinari Otsito wrote:
I was slightly more perturbed by the "Minmatar Empire". Apparently something awesome went down and I missed out on it.


Them damn Sebbies took over, finally, huh?

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
#29 - 2014-05-20 21:48:13 UTC
So now it's only a matter of time before every Minmatar space station and possibly planet is fitted with fantastic MWDs and able to fly circles around our frigates. I'm not even going to think about the autocannons.

If you'll excuse me, I'll have to go lay waste to my stocks of recreational and professional narcotics so I can await ragnarok in comfort.

Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.
Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#30 - 2014-05-20 21:56:25 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Jinari Otsito wrote:
I was slightly more perturbed by the "Minmatar Empire". Apparently something awesome went down and I missed out on it.


Them damn Sebbies took over, finally, huh?


It's the Sebiestor Plot.
Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
#31 - 2014-05-21 00:57:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Nauplius
Synthetic Cultist wrote:
It is Written, in the Apocryphon, that All may become Chosen, that All people are Equal in Gods Kingdom.



My interpretation of the text is that all have the potential to become Chosen and all who do become Chosen are equal for some spiritual meaning of the word equal; however, it is not necessarily true that those who are not Chosen are equal in any way. A Caldari is obviously superior to a Minmatar.
Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Doomheim
#32 - 2014-05-21 01:12:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Veikitamo Gesakaarin
I would say that those that truly believe in racial or genetic concepts of superiority as not being guilty of intellectual dishonesty but rather, simple ignorance. It would be only those that lead a life of ignorance that would judge solely on the basis of race, and those most lacking in self-worth, substance, intelligence, and the refinement of culture that resort most often to the prejudices of racial vilification. This is quite easily displayed on the IGS at least, by directing just a modicum of intelligence towards those that appear to actually believe in genetic and racial theorems only to watch them descend into torpid, angry, and incoherent ranting due to your own display of real and actual superiority.

Of course such people that are too much the fool to believe racial stereotypes tend to be those too much the fool that they cannot see they manage to become a trite stereotype themselves. Which can be rather amusing at times, if rather sad, that there actually exist those people who believe racial prejudice is a source of strength for their own fundamental personal insecurities which it so often exposes. Then again it is perhaps natural to expect that idiotic people will believe in idiotic things.

Kurilaivonen|Concern
Karynn Denton
Lekhantsi Salvage Depot
#33 - 2014-05-21 06:52:22 UTC
Wendrika wrote:
Everyone says that I'm suposed to be smart and good with machines, but I'm not. Is that bad? Is that being dishonest? I'd love the be brave, strong and an excellent pilot, I really would! But right now I'm just content of being able to afford a research laboratory filled with gadgets and gizmos for me to play with and a ship to fly in. And I got to meet so many people in the meantime.

Like Mister Nauplius for example. He is a mean monster, that says he hates me for being born the way I am, but I don't hate him or even dislike him. He is very passionate with his scriptures and preaching, however, but he could use more friends. I'd be more friendly to him if he didn't thought of it as an insult.

Miss Kim on the other hand, is the coolest pilot I know and I want to be just as cool as her! She takes no nonsense from anyone, loves the people she protects and upholds their way of life! Like a superhero! Everyone thinks she is wierd and overzealous though, and like to make fun of her way of thinking. I don't think that's very nice...

But I figure if everyone I meet in space is on top of the transhumanism pyramid, being quirky and passionate about their lives and activities is the only way we can stand out as individuals. And that's okay! We should accept everyone for what they are, even if we think what they do is wrong.


You are utterly adorable, Pilot Wendrika!
If you ever fancy swapping gadgets and gizmos for chemicals, there's a place for you in my labs Blink

Karynn Denton

Caravan Master
Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
#34 - 2014-05-21 12:49:13 UTC
Wendrika wrote:
Like Mister Nauplius for example. He is a mean monster, that says he hates me for being born the way I am, but I don't hate him or even dislike him. He is very passionate with his scriptures and preaching, however, but he could use more friends. I'd be more friendly to him if he didn't thought of it as an insult.


I was slightly touched by this sentiment. For a second or two.
Arkady Vachon
The Gold Angels
Sixth Empire
#35 - 2014-05-22 13:47:01 UTC
Nauplius wrote:
Wendrika wrote:
Like Mister Nauplius for example. He is a mean monster, that says he hates me for being born the way I am, but I don't hate him or even dislike him. He is very passionate with his scriptures and preaching, however, but he could use more friends. I'd be more friendly to him if he didn't thought of it as an insult.


I was slightly touched by this sentiment. For a second or two.



Oh you're touched all right, right in the brainpan.

Nothing Personal - Just Business...

Chaos Creates Content
Destruction Derpy
Doomheim
#36 - 2014-05-26 15:39:52 UTC
I guess the ugly looking minmatar slave has a point...

Nah.

Destruction Derpy 11 will be held on the 25th of May 2014! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=345038&find=unread Frigates only! All pilots welcome! :D See bio for more! :D
SynthesisX
#37 - 2014-05-26 16:53:48 UTC
Destruction Derpy wrote:
I guess the ugly looking minmatar slave has a point...

Nah.

This person and citizen Kim prove that ugly women are not exclusive to any one race. The fact that they are both Caldari is simply a "horrible" coincidence, some of the most beautiful women are Caldari, these two just came up way short. But perhaps some like these boy looking people ..... to each his own as they say. lol don't get mad I only jest!

Now all joking aside, on the subject of this thread I think all the people of the different races are just fine, we all deserve respect for being members of the human race. No racial group is significantly better then the others.

The cultural and historical choices made by some groups have made them reviled, so they are subject to scorn and ridicule for being monstrous slavers. I look forward to the day when that curse no longer exists in New Eden and all the slavers have all been reformed or eliminated. Our state has made a tragic misstep in siding with this malignant evil that seems to be infecting the pure soul of the Caldari people. We need to stand for freedom, ours and for everyone else also.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#38 - 2014-05-26 20:55:20 UTC
SynthesisX wrote:

The cultural and historical choices made by some groups have made them reviled, so they are subject to scorn and ridicule for being monstrous slavers. I look forward to the day when that curse no longer exists in New Eden and all the slavers have all been reformed or eliminated. Our state has made a tragic misstep in siding with this malignant evil that seems to be infecting the pure soul of the Caldari people. We need to stand for freedom, ours and for everyone else also.

This is the worst crap I ever heard so far from "Caldari" person.
Being so much brainwashed by gallentean "anti-slavery" propaganda is simply disgusting.
Such weakness must not be tolerated!
I hope you will die soon and dishonor you brought on your family will be washed with your blood, and your name will be erased from family archives.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
SynthesisX
#39 - 2014-05-27 00:40:52 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
SynthesisX wrote:

The cultural and historical choices made by some groups have made them reviled, so they are subject to scorn and ridicule for being monstrous slavers. I look forward to the day when that curse no longer exists in New Eden and all the slavers have all been reformed or eliminated. Our state has made a tragic misstep in siding with this malignant evil that seems to be infecting the pure soul of the Caldari people. We need to stand for freedom, ours and for everyone else also.

This is the worst crap I ever heard so far from "Caldari" person.
Being so much brainwashed by gallentean "anti-slavery" propaganda is simply disgusting.
Such weakness must not be tolerated!
I hope you will die soon and dishonor you brought on your family will be washed with your blood, and your name will be erased from family archives.
Take it easy citizen Kim. The state has not yet decreed that everyone has to be of a solitary opinion on what the state has decided, and disagreement is not punishable by death.

Diana …. hey isn't that a Gallente name citizen Kim? Perhaps the scientists who hatched you from a test tube thought you needed to be identified as an un-pure Caldari experiment gone “horribly” wrong either too much boy or too little girl, and stuck uncomfortably in the middle, androgynous is the correct category correct?

I can picture your DNA readout next to your picture hanging on the walls of genetic facilities all over Caldari space with a sign that reads “KEEP A SOBER WORK PLACE, WE DO NOT WANT TO MAKE ANY MORE OF THESE!”
Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
#40 - 2014-05-27 01:00:03 UTC
SynthesisX wrote:

I can picture your DNA readout next to your picture hanging on the walls of genetic facilities all over Caldari space with a sign that reads “KEEP A SOBER WORK PLACE, WE DO NOT WANT TO MAKE ANY MORE OF THESE!”


I don't know, Diana Kim's killboard is pretty good; the Caldari authorities may be thinking, "if we had a couple hundred more of these, then the Federation wouldn't last a month".