Player Features and Ideas Discussion

All missile ships have a problem with applying DPS, last time I looked the Raven, SNI RNI where still very popular ships, so there should be a way to counter that.

that probably needs some puzzle time, maybe offer a drone navigation for a TP. it will probably come down to switching your fits a little bit more to missiles to get the optimal result.

same for me too.
playing eve since about 2 months and was skilling towards the Rattlesnake from beginning.
but with these changes the ship is useless.

why do you give it sentry drones damage modifier, when it can no longer carry them??
why fighting with only 2 drones on a droneboat !!!???
it doesnt make any sense to me.

so then i dont have any more reason to skill my charakter further, cause no ship seems to fit my needs.

why all other pirate ships getting better, or at least not worse,
and the droneboat can no longer carry drones any effective way??

i realy hope you reconsider the changes on the Rattlesnake, because they are quite honest bullshit.
excuse me, i say what i think.

I am confused as to your issue.

If your goal is sentries, the new Rattler will be fine. The 2 it puts out will perform like the 5 it used to put out. The issues with the Rattlesnake are with the loss of flexibility in using any other drones, and increased vunerability to disrupting the drones or focued fire on a single drone.

If you fit a post patch Rattlesnake exactly as you would a prepatch one the only real issue you will run into is range on torps. All other fits will perform as well or better than they do now.

You probably should adjust that fit to accomodate the changes by either using rapid heavies or rapid lights to better deal with smaller ships as your lighter drones lost their bonus, but thats not much of an issue either way if you are competant.

Why does everyone keep acting like missile application is horrendous? Or is this because it can't use bonused medium/lights to kill mission rats? Surely you can just mjd away and blap them with gardes?

The new Rattler is a complete monster when you consider the tank/gank it puts out in the right circumstances. Might be bad at lvl4's though? But lets be honest, lvl 4's already have an entire class of lolships designed for them (Marauders) they don't need the pirate BS's too.

How does a bs burn at 300m/s o.o

I'm quite sure cruise missiles hit BC's perfectly with one TP.. So they should do fine against bs? Unless possibly if you're talking fury, i didn't check the application on fury.. But honestly you can never really use high damage ammo against anything thats not webbed/tped on any weapon system.. I'd think that with the Rattlers manly inate tank you could put a lot of midslots into application and have it in spades.

The new heavies are just fine at smashing frigates. The damage from a glancing hit from a gecko or pair of normal heavies is enough to one shot normal frigates and take an elite frigate out in only 2-3 of said "weak" hits. Normal hits are quite possible, and brutal overkill. Non-elite cruisers just melt as they are quite easy for the new heavies to hit and have no EHP. The only thing slowing cruiser killing is the need for the drone to pop out of MWD and start the orbit. Contrast that to mere light drones that will need to grind on a cruiser for a bit, and still has the dropping out of MWD issue as any other non-sentry drone.

As the posts and discussions developed, other ideas and suggestions formed.

The Gila under testing has shown the medium hero drones are functioning well and most have had their concerns relieved.
That does not apply to the rattlesnake.

Much discussion took place regarding the application of ishtar like bonuses to heavy drones to make up for their shortcomings and to ensure that damage was applied. The heavy drones are still not a good choice for many conditions.
Sentries were felt to be disappointing in that they did not receive any bonus in any way to make up for the deficiencies introduced by the Hero drone concept. The idea has real validity but withdrawing 50% of your DPS from the field rather than 20% does need some balancing factor in either application or damage. The suggestions, were for increased DPS and hitpoints to balance this, 350-400% was suggested by some as this would account for the time the sentries were off the field or being redeployed and recommencing attack.

My preference is at the lower end of the range, to preserve the current sentry application but I do understand the desire for them to have a little more to encourage their use.

An alternative to heavy drone use and bonuses was in giving the rattlesnake medium Gila class drones with appropriate damage levels to account for them being a battleship weapon. This would remove the effects of the inherent weaknesses of heavy drones, which still are not in a good place.

This is my personal preference.

In this proposal from cCp Rise, the drone weapons system is out of balance, and as users people have attempted to point out where the balance is lacking, and offer possible solutions that will allow his needs as a developer, CCP's needs as a company and the player bases / users needs too. Multiple suggestions for resolution have been posted, CCP rise hopefully will pick the best.
I believe that is the point of the feedback forum.

Why do bears keep talking about ships like how good they are at lvl 4 missions is actually relevant?

What matters in balance is how balanced ships are against each other.. Not how good they are at doing trivially easy missions.. Maybe if this game actually had PVE content that stretched the limits of these ships it could be sort of relevant.. but it doesnt.. All these balance changes affect is how fast you can grind the missions.. Which is just so unimportant in the grand scheme of things..

Wait what?

Two rigors AND two painters? On top of precisions? God why.

I'd agree with the lows and the highs....3/3 DDA/Rigors. The rest would take some tinkering around and I can't be arsed to download EFT to get the Kronos files (I use eveHQ). I would be a case of balancing projection, application, and tank for me.

You may not be able to passive tank it, but I can't stand passive tanks anyway.

Yes, the example was to show that the claimed overpowered DPS actually could not exist when application, tank, and hybrid were all sought at the same time.

The end result will be where the ship becomes a missile boat, with drones regulated to a minor supporting role.
The problem is that other missile boats just do it better. Far far better.