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lack of Gal Mil Civil War

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wilgotna
Perkone
Caldari State
#61 - 2014-05-25 11:30:01 UTC  |  Edited by: wilgotna
gallente leadership are, for the most part, all cowards

without getting into too much detail: its a lot easier to take out daily fleets and gangbang some helpless proles than to split the giant gallente blob and get some decent fights going

every hero needs a villain

but more than that:

isnt every heros strength defined by the strength of their adversaries?

the gallente i knew were the gallente who made khan/borg and test their senoritas

...now its more like the gallente who just sit around and crank eachother off
Castnicke Rinah
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#62 - 2014-05-25 11:47:30 UTC
That's what happens when there's no common enemy. Get your act together CalMil!
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#63 - 2014-05-25 12:52:32 UTC
wilgotna wrote:
gallente leadership are, for the most part, all cowards

without getting into too much detail: its a lot easier to take out daily fleets and gangbang some helpless proles than to split the giant gallente blob and get some decent fights going

every hero needs a villain

but more than that:

isnt every heros strength defined by the strength of their adversaries?

the gallente i knew were the gallente who made khan/borg and test their senoritas

...now its more like the gallente who just sit around and crank eachother off


The giant gallente blob that was fighting 8vs40-70 for a couple of hours last night. And still capping plexes. But if you want to keep spouting nonsense feel free.
wilgotna
Perkone
Caldari State
#64 - 2014-05-25 13:53:13 UTC
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
The giant gallente blob that was fighting 8vs40-70 for a couple of hours last night. And still capping plexes. But if you want to keep spouting nonsense feel free.


grats crosi, your post only strengthens the main premise of my post:

galmils competition is just pathetically bad

which brings us back to the solution: civil war pls


also, we both know that the gallente blob is huge, and that if anything decent is happening they will all come out of the woodwork and conglomerate


crosi my son... if you want to keep "spouting nonsense" which only unintentionally validates my views by all means continue as it gives me a hearty chuckle


Deacon Abox
Black Eagle5
#65 - 2014-05-25 14:09:17 UTC
wilgotna wrote:
Question

Is this for real or am I biting on troll bait? Whatever, I'll bite.

This may help you http://www.naturalnews.com/042481_bitter_taste_mouth_oral_hygeine.html

CCP, there are off buttons for ship explosions, missile effects, turret effects, etc. "Immersion" does not seem to be harmed by those. So, [u]please[/u] give us a persisting off button for the jump gate and autoscan visuals.

Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#66 - 2014-05-25 14:20:21 UTC
wilgotna wrote:

crosi my son... if you want to keep "spouting nonsense" which only unintentionally validates my views by all means continue as it gives me a hearty chuckle




How does late eu and early us timezone having 8 active people in fleet validate your view that there is a gigantic gallente blob? There was a peak of 80 squids in local, surely that should motivate a form up? Its a rare occasion gallente get more thn 40 in a single fleet.

And sure, we took plexes, they took far more obviously.
wilgotna
Perkone
Caldari State
#67 - 2014-05-25 14:47:55 UTC
Deacon Abox wrote:
Is this for real or am I biting on troll bait? Whatever, I'll bite.

This may help you http://www.naturalnews.com/042481_bitter_taste_mouth_oral_hygeine.html


what i find ironic about this is that i commonly see eve players patting themselves on the back for being "smarter" than the average gamer who plays wow or cod

but then i get clowns like crosi and deacon, who instead of responding to the actual message only make cowardly blanket-statements like calling it "nonsense" or "troll bait"

Crosi Wesdo wrote:
How does late eu and early us timezone having 8 active people in fleet validate your view that there is a gigantic gallente blob? There was a peak of 80 squids in local, surely that should motivate a form up? Its a rare occasion gallente get more thn 40 in a single fleet.

And sure, we took plexes, they took far more obviously.


do you have reading comprehension problems? it validates the view that galmil has no decent competition.

as for my gallente blob statement, ill repeat: gallente can form a huge blob if something decent is happening that is worth logging in for

for example: when tempest legion and death by design were reinforcing pocos in nenn, huge fleets were formed to fight them

what you said is akin to goons saying well, we only have like 50 man fleets most of the time. when everyone knows goons could get over 1000 scrubs together if they really wanted to
Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#68 - 2014-05-25 14:56:21 UTC
wilgotna wrote:
it validates the view that galmil has no decent competition.

Help us out, then.

Form a decent fleet and hop into Black RIse.

Make space glamorous! Is EVE dying or not? Ask the EVE-O Death-o-meter!

Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#69 - 2014-05-25 15:02:11 UTC
wilgotna wrote:
Deacon Abox wrote:
Is this for real or am I biting on troll bait? Whatever, I'll bite.

This may help you http://www.naturalnews.com/042481_bitter_taste_mouth_oral_hygeine.html


what i find ironic about this is that i commonly see eve players patting themselves on the back for being "smarter" than the average gamer who plays wow or cod

but then i get clowns like crosi and deacon, who instead of responding to the actual message only make cowardly blanket-statements like calling it "nonsense" or "troll bait"

Crosi Wesdo wrote:
How does late eu and early us timezone having 8 active people in fleet validate your view that there is a gigantic gallente blob? There was a peak of 80 squids in local, surely that should motivate a form up? Its a rare occasion gallente get more thn 40 in a single fleet.

And sure, we took plexes, they took far more obviously.


do you have reading comprehension problems? it validates the view that galmil has no decent competition.

as for my gallente blob statement, ill repeat: gallente can form a huge blob if something decent is happening that is worth logging in for

for example: when tempest legion and death by design were reinforcing pocos in nenn, huge fleets were formed to fight them

what you said is akin to goons saying well, we only have like 50 man fleets most of the time. when everyone knows goons could get over 1000 scrubs together if they really wanted to



lol, yes it is US that are making blanket statements.
wilgotna
Perkone
Caldari State
#70 - 2014-05-25 15:17:31 UTC  |  Edited by: wilgotna
theres very little weight in accusing me of making blanket statements, not being specific enough, or not providing any evidence for my claims.

ive made two previous forum threads which discuss this issue in depth

that is why in this thread i prefaced: "without getting into too much detail"


crosi, people may think im a troll, but i think youre the real troll here

your posts responding to me contain no substance, just lame sarcasm
Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#71 - 2014-05-25 15:23:44 UTC
wilgotna wrote:
ive made two previous forum threads which discuss this issue in depth

Link please?

All this lack of worthy enemies makes us Gallente lazy. Me, at least.

Make space glamorous! Is EVE dying or not? Ask the EVE-O Death-o-meter!

X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#72 - 2014-05-25 16:11:29 UTC
The reason there are no Civil Wars in Gallente Militia is that they (the leadership) are cowards. Fair enough. /thread.
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#73 - 2014-05-25 16:36:33 UTC
wilgotna wrote:
theres very little weight in accusing me of making blanket statements, not being specific enough, or not providing any evidence for my claims.

ive made two previous forum threads which discuss this issue in depth

that is why in this thread i prefaced: "without getting into too much detail"


crosi, people may think im a troll, but i think youre the real troll here

your posts responding to me contain no substance, just lame sarcasm


You should be grateful, thats more than they deserve.
Taoist Dragon
Okata Syndicate
#74 - 2014-05-25 20:47:17 UTC
I never had much of a problem with Gal blobs tbh. Often used to get nice little engagements 1v1 1v2 that kind of thing. I often used to see 10-20 calmil in system with a couple of Gals out plexing and the Calmil guys staying docked.

It nothing to do with challenging opponents it's Calmil not being out there and fighting. But then again Calmil is be far the most over subscribed militia for plexing alts that I have seen. Followed secondly by minmatar but with the way minnie ships are being dumped upon in terms of ability I don't think this will continue for much longer.

That is the Way, the Tao.

Balance is everything.

IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
#75 - 2014-05-25 23:41:49 UTC
Taoist Dragon wrote:
I never had much of a problem with Gal blobs tbh.


That's because of the TZ you mostly play in.


EU/AU seemed to come in fairly equal numbers for a good fight.

But many of the US TZ groups need to bring 30 people to shoot one frigate and then cry 'BLOB' if you have a 2nd person come to help you.







Veskrashen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#76 - 2014-05-26 01:37:48 UTC
IbanezLaney wrote:
Taoist Dragon wrote:
I never had much of a problem with Gal blobs tbh.

But many of the US TZ groups need to bring 30 people to shoot one frigate and then cry 'BLOB' if you have a 2nd person come to help you.

That's because Church of Awesome is too stronk.

We Gallente have a saying: "CCP created the Gallente Militia to train the Fighters..."

Epikurus
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#77 - 2014-05-26 02:53:32 UTC
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
wilgotna wrote:
gallente leadership are, for the most part, all cowards

without getting into too much detail: its a lot easier to take out daily fleets and gangbang some helpless proles than to split the giant gallente blob and get some decent fights going

every hero needs a villain

but more than that:

isnt every heros strength defined by the strength of their adversaries?

the gallente i knew were the gallente who made khan/borg and test their senoritas

...now its more like the gallente who just sit around and crank eachother off


The giant gallente blob that was fighting 8vs40-70 for a couple of hours last night. And still capping plexes. But if you want to keep spouting nonsense feel free.


Of all the things that didn't happen, this was one.

There's really no need to fictionalise things. You were successful enough without there being the need to make things up. At no point did you take a contested plex with 8 guys against 70.
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#78 - 2014-05-26 04:06:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Crosi Wesdo
Epikurus wrote:
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
wilgotna wrote:
gallente leadership are, for the most part, all cowards

without getting into too much detail: its a lot easier to take out daily fleets and gangbang some helpless proles than to split the giant gallente blob and get some decent fights going

every hero needs a villain

but more than that:

isnt every heros strength defined by the strength of their adversaries?

the gallente i knew were the gallente who made khan/borg and test their senoritas

...now its more like the gallente who just sit around and crank eachother off


The giant gallente blob that was fighting 8vs40-70 for a couple of hours last night. And still capping plexes. But if you want to keep spouting nonsense feel free.


Of all the things that didn't happen, this was one.

There's really no need to fictionalise things. You were successful enough without there being the need to make things up. At no point did you take a contested plex with 8 guys against 70.


I didnt say we did. I said we were fighting 8vs40. We did lose the plexes that were contested. However, when you guys were shooting posses with corms we did capture a significant number of plexes with just 8 people.

I did not at any point say we took plexes with 8 people while under fire from 40 people. Just that we did capture plexes while those odds were against us in terms of what was in local.

You guys chose to focus on goals other than defending plexes during times where you had vast numerical superiority. Those goals were badly misguided and only sped up the rate of your eviction from Kehjari. Along with your reluctance to separate your force to control multiple plexes at once lead to this.
Epikurus
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#79 - 2014-05-26 05:43:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Epikurus
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Epikurus wrote:


Of all the things that didn't happen, this was one.

There's really no need to fictionalise things. You were successful enough without there being the need to make things up. At no point did you take a contested plex with 8 guys against 70.


I didnt say we did. I said we were fighting 8vs40. We did lose the plexes that were contested. However, when you guys were shooting posses with corms we did capture a significant number of plexes with just 8 people.

I did not at any point say we took plexes with 8 people while under fire from 40 people. Just that we did capture plexes while those odds were against us in terms of what was in local.



That's a pretty significant revision from:

Crosi Wesdo wrote:

The giant gallente blob that was fighting 8vs40-70 for a couple of hours last night. And still capping plexes.


40 is certainly a more realistic number and, as you say, your 8 man team was capping plexes while the Caldari forces were off doing other things and weren't contesting them.

I don't want to take anything away from your achievements in Kehjari, I'd just prefer they be framed in the more accurate terms of your second post.


Quote:

You guys chose to focus on goals other than defending plexes during times where you had vast numerical superiority. Those goals were badly misguided and only sped up the rate of your eviction from Kehjari. Along with your reluctance to separate your force to control multiple plexes at once lead to this.


I don't think going after the tower really had a big effect on the situation. Indeed, I'm pretty pleased that we managed to hold our own throughout Saturday, avoided previous slow reshipping problems and kept up with the meta much better than in the past. Three things really kicked us in the nuts and led to the final result:

1) DUST - On Saturday, pretty much the only system control gains your chaps made were from DUST, which we treated as irritating but no big deal as we were holding our own in space. By the time we called off the defensive op on Sunday night the DUST figure had grown to 20% and had proved decisive. Getting a grip on the DUST side of things is something CalMil definitely needs to sort out in the future.

2) AU tz - we are very weak in manpower terms from late US TZ through to a few hours after DT. We lost 10% system control during this period. Not sure what, if any, solution there is to this apart from drinking more Victoria Bitter and hanging corks from our hats. Alternatively, we need to move our EU/US tz to a position of dominance to compensate. Certainly something to work towards but not an overnight project.

3) The last meta switch - while we did much better than previously in staying on top of the meta and switching into the right ships for the right job quickly throughout most of the weekend we didn't develop any sort of adequate counter to your tristan/navitas doctrine. With even numbers we had some luck with thrashers but that stopped working as soon as numbers were against us and even when the numbers were equal we had no counter for your doctrine in the novices. That's something we need to add to our tool-bag, as well, obviously, as thinking ahead to the next doctrines.

Compared to the AU tz 10% and the 20% from DUST the couple of percent we missed out on from reinforcing your tower doesn't really signify. The move was, I think, worth the shot.

All in all I'm pretty pleased with how we performed this weekend. There are things we need to build on, for sure, but I'm confident we are moving in the right direction. In any case, I certainly had a blast flying against you guys over the last two days, especially after a quiet month in the war-zone, and look forward to the next big battle. I hope you had fun too.
Veskrashen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#80 - 2014-05-26 13:51:44 UTC
Epikurus wrote:

I don't think going after the tower really had a big effect on the situation. Indeed, I'm pretty pleased that we managed to hold our own throughout Saturday, avoided previous slow reshipping problems and kept up with the meta much better than in the past.

You all had a huge numerical superiority on Saturday, no idea how the heck you all managed to get 80+ into 2-3 fleets. Was really hard to deal with throughout the day. Props for the turnout - if you'd managed to keep it up on Sunday we couldn't have flipped it last night.

Quote:
1) DUST - On Saturday, pretty much the only system control gains your chaps made were from DUST, which we treated as irritating but no big deal as we were holding our own in space. By the time we called off the defensive op on Sunday night the DUST figure had grown to 20% and had proved decisive. Getting a grip on the DUST side of things is something CalMil definitely needs to sort out in the future.

God, DUST/EVE integration REALLY needs to be improved if it's going to impact things in EVE. We didn't do a single OB in support of this invasion, and had no notice of any fights. By the time you folks had given up on Sunday, it dropped from 20% to 12%, forcing us to plex for about another 3-4 hours unopposed before we could bash the hub. So in the end, not as big of an issue due to the lack of control from either party IMO.

Quote:
2) AU tz - we are very weak in manpower terms from late US TZ through to a few hours after DT. We lost 10% system control during this period.

Yup, we made some huge gains overnight on Friday / Saturday evenings. Enough that as long as we kept pace with you through the day we generally kept the edge. We've got some FANTASTIC skirmishers during that gap, which is a huge edge.

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3) The last meta switch - while we did much better than previously in staying on top of the meta and switching into the right ships for the right job quickly throughout most of the weekend we didn't develop any sort of adequate counter to your tristan/navitas doctrine.

Yup, you guys did a pretty decent job in copying our counters to TEST. Looking forward to what you can come up with to counter our Tristan / Navitas doctrine, especially in the novices.

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All in all I'm pretty pleased with how we performed this weekend. There are things we need to build on, for sure, but I'm confident we are moving in the right direction. In any case, I certainly had a blast flying against you guys over the last two days, especially after a quiet month in the war-zone, and look forward to the next big battle. I hope you had fun too.

Yup, pretty decent showing from your side on Saturday, kinda fell apart by Sunday evening though. Where's GHIOT going to end up now that they left HECON? Are we going to see another CalMil civil war?

We Gallente have a saying: "CCP created the Gallente Militia to train the Fighters..."