Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Standard damage bonus is 5%. BC's have doubled standard damage bonus - 10%. (Hurricane has 5% to damage, and 5% to fire speed - so pretty much anyway). So if standard damage bonus is 5% and standard drone damage is 10%, shouldn't Myrmidon have at least +15% to drone damage??
Currently it does not have any bonus advantage like other BC's.

Personaly I dislike greatly idea of reducing slot number of drone boats. So old Myrm I liked much more than current.
So in my opinion Myrm may look like:
- +15% to drone damage (only small, medium, large, no sentries)
- 85mbit drone bindwidth (3 large + 1 med or other variations possible)
- 6 hislots and 6 turret stots
- add some PG for hi-slot.

That would be much better than current Myrm.
For Prophecy:
- +15% to drone damage (only large and sentries)
- 6 hi-slots, 5 launcher slots (damage will be same).
- add some PG for hi slot.

Might be a bit overpowered, but this is general direction.

edit: ~150m3 drone bay for Myrm

Not that i would argue for the changes op has suggested, but mentioning unbonused weapons is tricky because many ships have large bays ("ubonused drones"), should we lower their bonused dps because of that? Machariel with 5 turrets instead of 7 ?

How are they balanced against that?

Since when is tring to get an example being obtuse?

Since the answer is self-evident given the context of "balance" and that word's definition.

If the player can potentially fit more damage in the high slots, damage should be removed from the drone bay to balance the ship with it's peers.

If the player can potentially fit more damage in the drone bay, damage should be removed from the high slots to balance the ship with it's peers.

And good god.... Why do so many players think that DPS and EHP are the only two numbers that matter in the entire set of attributes they are given for their ship, their modules, and their skills? If this is true please fix Amarr ships as a whole.

End of post sh0cker!: It's not.

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That's because BCs have only 6 weapons when before they had 7.

You have to compare the DPS of a Myrmidon or Prophecy with a Vexor or Arbitrator to see if there really is a problem.

I do feel there is a problem with the comparison between the Vexor and the Myrmidon. It seems the only advantage in the Myrmidon is a stronger tank. The DPS advantage is negligible only when using heavies or sentries, and until heavies get that speed boost, they are pretty much useless in practice. When using mediums, DPS is the same on both ships, provided they both have the ship skill at 5. But after the release of the overpowered Geckos, this potentially changed a lot since now a Vexor can put out just one Gecko but a Myrmidon can put out two and that makes all the difference since Gecko DPS is way higher than normal drone DPS for the same bandwidth.

I'd like to see a change in the Vexor and Myrmidon that doesn't involve making heavy drones obsolete while the limited edition rápe-drones are still cheap-ish.

Edit: I'd also like to see the 10% damage bonus on drone boats and battlecruisers taken down to 5%, with battlecruisers gaining a weapon damage role bonus and drones having base damage increased. Having the 10% damage bonus puts too strong an emphasis on training the ship skills to max, and cuts newer player performance in these ships too far.

Myrm has 10% to damage AND rep rate bonus.
Drake has 10% to damage AND resist bonus.
Harb has 10% to damage AND capacitor use bonus.

Hurricane has 5% to damage and 5% to rate of fire.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist here to see the myrm is already with the good bonus group, and it's the hurricane that needs a bonus increase.

I kept saying this but it fell on deaf ears. Seems almost everyone, including CCP, believes that having equivalent damage is the only thing important, despite scores of research demonstrating that EVE players overwhelmingly choose tank as the most important ship aspect.

Just give Hurricane 10% damage bonus and leave it's 5% rate of fire bonus. Let it have the most DPS and least tank. It'll still be the least used of the 4, but at least it'll have a solid purpose. It'll be basically a tanky Tornado with less range.

Correct. If anything, it is the Vexor which is too strong.