Player Features and Ideas Discussion

This came up in random conversation today so I wanted to throw it out there. I suppose It's pretty late in the thread to expect anyone to see this but, well, I tried :)

Give a different freighter (Providence IMO) a higher top-speed than the Fenrir. Basically, swap the Provi and Fenrir max velocity stat. However, leave the Fenrir as the most agile.

Why? There are two styles of hauling, autopilot and manual. There are benefits and drawbacks to each, but in either case, provided you stay under safe cargo values, the Fenrir wins at BOTH styles. Velocity is important to autopilot hauling while agility is important to both. Since Fenrir has the best of both stats, there's no comparison. Moving top speed to a different freighter would turn this into an actual potential trade off. Charon already gets max cargo and Obelisk already gets max tank, but there's very little to differentiate Provi and Fenrir (especially now that their cargo capacity is the same). This change this would give them a relevant distinction.

6 days and 2401 posts later still no decent solution altough i like the idea of gettin lowslots better then rig slots ,are we heading in the right direction at least anyways...
the armoured freighters seem to be favored in this issue tho like many others said they get plating and so on but shield freighters dont get anything
still not there yet why dont u just make all freighters equal after all they r just to transport stuff .
ore industrial freighters or somthing without the racial bonusses just cargohold agility ehp bam done out of the box freighter with or without lows but all equal
or just dont change anything at all saves a whole lotta messing up

It seems that Jump frieghters are really being penalized when the opposite should be true.

!st, these take a huge investment to train for, pay for and fly. Certainly the agility is one of the features that are important to these beasts staying alive.

2nd, We hear that CCP is trying to encourage more 0,0 usage, but it is really only possible if you can trade between high and low sec. Cutting the abilit yof these ships to haul people to 0,0 and profitable goods back to high sec take away much of the motive to be in 0,0.

3rd, making the operation even more expensive for the given amount of freight makes using these ships only viable for really valuable cargo, which now is at risk even more than before.

I understand the need to make changes to freighters and am quite happy to make trade-offs in a ship designed for high sec operations mostly. But ships that enable me to move to and operate in 0,0 have gotten so expensive i have to ask why am I out here? The mining is good, but the ore is too big to be moved unless your using a much cheaper Rorqual and take the time to compress. I can build all but the SC and Titan in high sec and buy the little bit of high end ore on the market. And everything I need to do this is in high sec...... Seems like high sec is no longer a higher level of security (which attracted me to this game in the first place) and 0.0 is no longer as dangerous, just more painful to move around.

I think the changes to JF is counter productive to your stated goals. The ability to change the fit at the expense of carrying ability is useless. The only reason to use the JF is its carrying ability. This is simply a nerf without a good reason that is counter to your stated goals.

I have an issue with the 100% bonus to Reinforced Bulkheads.

This may have been answered already but can someone explain the reasoning behind Bulkheads having CPU requirements at all?

It's metal stuck to the inside of the cargo bay to increase structure. What reasonable situation would one use Bulkhead(s) and still be limited in CPU. What unreasonable nich situation would one use Bulkheads?

(Edit: After a google search a hull tanked Tarranis is a viable possibility.)

What would be the consequences of simply re-balancing the module to have 0 CPU?

Yes I'm aware capital ships use bulkheads. They also have plenty of CPU to spare. My question was would changing the CPU requirement of a Reinforced Bulkhead II from 40 to 0 have any real impact. I personally don't use an Orca. Are common fittings tight on CPU?

Why there is no mention to Layered plating modules in the OP ? their fitting requirements works with freighters.

What's the point of a bonus to armor/hp on a JF?

you do have a good point here .... Perhaps Fozzie could help answer this ... what is the role/specialisation of this ship and does the HP bonuses actually meet this purpose?

They fit, but they're pretty much not worth it.

The T2 version is only +6% to armour. If your goal is tank, a bulkhead wins every time. Or a resist mod.

So CODE. has a harder time ganking your empty Rhea for the lulz.