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Cloaking disabled in fw plex?

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Heavypredator Singh
TEMPLAR.
The Initiative.
#1 - 2014-05-24 08:35:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Heavypredator Singh
So devblog states it will be disabled in 30km radius - what about beacon area where you cloak to gang ppl like with stratios or astero, or other covertops? Cloaking ganking will be useless now. Minimum 20km to target is out of scram range. Fighting with bots breaks this part of game.

Maybe make it so if you cloak You can't run timer unless You go trough plex gate again. Would fix ppl plexing in cloaky frigates costing 2 mil without risk and less bots. pvp would still be there.
Karen Avioras
The Raging Raccoons
#2 - 2014-05-24 08:39:48 UTC
wat
Heavypredator Singh
TEMPLAR.
The Initiative.
#3 - 2014-05-24 08:41:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Heavypredator Singh
Smarter NPCs in factional warfare
Some tweaks are coming to Factional Warfare complexes so that NPCs will arrive repeatedly in an attempt to defend their base and will now behave a bit differently than before. Additionally the usage of cloaking devices has been prevented within 30 km of the capture points.

Looks like there already is post about it - sorry for making another one
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=343137
Adrie Atticus
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#4 - 2014-05-24 09:09:37 UTC
Heavypredator Singh wrote:
So devblog states it will be disabled in 30km radius - what about beacon area where you cloak to gang ppl like with stratios or astero, or other covertops? Cloaking ganking will be useless now. Minimum 20km to target is out of scram range.


Links will give you ample range to grab anyone from 30km away. If you are there with a cloaky gang, might as well add +1 booster.
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#5 - 2014-05-24 09:13:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
Heavypredator Singh wrote:
Cloaking ganking will be useless now. Minimum 20km to target is out of scram range. Fighting with bots breaks this part of game.

No, you just need to also sit cloaked outside 30km and move into range when a plexer enters.

I think most plexers who use cloaks will sit at 29km from the beacon so they can go outside and cloak when someone enters.

It'll be a bit harder because they might be on the opposite side of the beacon to you initially, but if you are a determined cloaky hunter, you'll get them.

A really determined cloaky hunter will use an alt to warp into the plex while you are moving towards the plexer. That will force them outside 30km and stop the timer. When you are in position, you just warp your alt out again, so the plexer decloaks and goes back in to start the timer again.
Heavypredator Singh
TEMPLAR.
The Initiative.
#6 - 2014-05-24 09:17:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Heavypredator Singh
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Heavypredator Singh wrote:
Cloaking ganking will be useless now. Minimum 20km to target is out of scram range. Fighting with bots breaks this part of game.

No, you just need to also sit cloaked outside 30km and move into range when a plexer enters.

I think most plexers who use cloaks will sit at 29km from the beacon so they can go outside and cloak when someone enters.

It'll be a bit harder because they mightbe on the opposite side of the beacon to you initially, but if you are a determined cloaky hunter, you'll get them.


Killing farmers with cloaks is not what I mean. Killing ppl that do not cloak is more fun and rewarding since they have normal fit not stabbed frigate that is there to lose 2 mil max. And killing frigs with stratios is hard because of targeting delay and speed. So it is for cruisers mostly for me.
Arla Sarain
#7 - 2014-05-24 09:23:06 UTC
Button is above and forward of the landing beacon.

Hence the 30km radius doesn't strictly mean 30km from a person landing in plex.

If you got to the bottom you'll reach with links.
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#8 - 2014-05-24 09:25:53 UTC
Heavypredator Singh wrote:
Killing farmers with cloaks is not what I mean. Killing ppl that do not cloak is more fun and rewarding since they have normal fit not stabbed frigate that is there to lose 2 mil max. And killing frigs with stratios is hard because of targeting delay and speed. So it is for cruisers mostly for me.

Ah ok.

In that case, you might have to switch from a scram to a point, unless you can fit both; and if you are currently running an AB, you might look at switching to an MWD so you can close quickly and get a web on if you use a web also.

So sitting at 30km, a Warp Disruptor II will give you a 24km point range, or a 28km range overheated. With links, you'll go longer.
Heavypredator Singh
TEMPLAR.
The Initiative.
#9 - 2014-05-24 09:32:03 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Heavypredator Singh wrote:
Killing farmers with cloaks is not what I mean. Killing ppl that do not cloak is more fun and rewarding since they have normal fit not stabbed frigate that is there to lose 2 mil max. And killing frigs with stratios is hard because of targeting delay and speed. So it is for cruisers mostly for me.

Ah ok.

In that case, you might have to switch from a scram to a point, unless you can fit both; and if you are currently running an AB, you might look at switching to an MWD so you can close quickly and get a web on if you use a web also.

So sitting at 30km, a Warp Disruptor II will give you a 24km point range, or a 28km range overheated. With links, you'll go longer.


Yea but it is much higher risk of getting kited and covops ships are not cheap :D Advantage of covops is lost here.
Icarus Able
Refuse.Resist
#10 - 2014-05-24 10:18:05 UTC
Heavypredator Singh wrote:
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Heavypredator Singh wrote:
Killing farmers with cloaks is not what I mean. Killing ppl that do not cloak is more fun and rewarding since they have normal fit not stabbed frigate that is there to lose 2 mil max. And killing frigs with stratios is hard because of targeting delay and speed. So it is for cruisers mostly for me.

Ah ok.

In that case, you might have to switch from a scram to a point, unless you can fit both; and if you are currently running an AB, you might look at switching to an MWD so you can close quickly and get a web on if you use a web also.

So sitting at 30km, a Warp Disruptor II will give you a 24km point range, or a 28km range overheated. With links, you'll go longer.


Yea but it is much higher risk of getting kited and covops ships are not cheap :D Advantage of covops is lost here.



Then kite yourself. The astero is a good kiting ship.
Seraph Essael
Air
The Initiative.
#11 - 2014-05-24 10:28:55 UTC
To get a point on someone now as a cloaky you will have to have a long point. Which will mean people will get away easier because of all the warp stabs...

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Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2014-05-24 11:15:25 UTC
Heavypredator Singh wrote:
So devblog states it will be disabled in 30km radius - what about beacon area where you cloak to gang ppl like with stratios or astero, or other covertops? Cloaking ganking will be useless now. Minimum 20km to target is out of scram range. Fighting with bots breaks this part of game.

Maybe make it so if you cloak You can't run timer unless You go trough plex gate again. Would fix ppl plexing in cloaky frigates costing 2 mil without risk and less bots. pvp would still be there.

Perhaps it's time you and your buddies learn to fight like real men. Cool

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Heavypredator Singh
TEMPLAR.
The Initiative.
#13 - 2014-05-24 11:36:14 UTC
Gully Alex Foyle wrote:
Heavypredator Singh wrote:
So devblog states it will be disabled in 30km radius - what about beacon area where you cloak to gang ppl like with stratios or astero, or other covertops? Cloaking ganking will be useless now. Minimum 20km to target is out of scram range. Fighting with bots breaks this part of game.

Maybe make it so if you cloak You can't run timer unless You go trough plex gate again. Would fix ppl plexing in cloaky frigates costing 2 mil without risk and less bots. pvp would still be there.

Perhaps it's time you and your buddies learn to fight like real men. Cool



Real men use stealth :D
BrundleMeth
State War Academy
Caldari State
#14 - 2014-05-24 11:54:00 UTC
We just kill em all and let God sort em out...
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#15 - 2014-05-24 12:39:54 UTC
Seraph Essael wrote:
To get a point on someone now as a cloaky you will have to have a long point. Which will mean people will get away easier because of all the warp stabs...


Warp stabs won't be a hell of a lot of use outside of a novice when these changes hit. And even there it's not going to happen for a lot of farming alts.
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#16 - 2014-05-24 12:40:56 UTC
Heavypredator Singh wrote:

Yea but it is much higher risk of getting kited and covops ships are not cheap :D Advantage of covops is lost here.


Then find another tool for the job.
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#17 - 2014-05-24 14:08:18 UTC
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