Ships & Modules

^Fixed that for you.

Not that precision was bad idea in itself, bad idea was slashing their base damage, range and putting a speed penalty on top.
Those could be useful if they were exactly the same as T1 but with better explosion radius&velocity

Missiles themselves don't need a real boost.

Except for cruise missiles. They do need a boost though.

Torps could use some help. Skills should apply to those, it won't REALLY enhance them anyway, so no risk of unbalance.

Standards should have reduced fitting requirements, Nighthawk should have a PWG boost.

Defenders need a complete rework. I don't know what kind of rework, but a BIG rework. Something that makes them worth to fit.

And T2 defenders, while you're at it.

F.O.F missiles could use some changes maybe. They should do -20% DPS, still have the same range, and it should work like this, for exemple :

Either shoot the last target you were aggressing.

Or shoot the most efficient EW platform that was aggressing you.

That way, you either have the possibility to take down the last bits of structure that are holding your enemy's ship together, or the ability to remove the jamming/damping nuisance from the field.

And it looks fair to me, I guess

I agree lets give missles a buff. We can add the following as well to make them more like turrets

1. Under a certain range. Infact lets just say they didnt have time to arm the warhead.

2. Anything traveling faster than 1km will not be hit as long as it is orbiting the said ship.

3. Move BCU's to mid slots so shield ships have to sacrifice their shields for a damage bonus

4. We can add some cap usage to the firing of missles.

I'm sorry for the lack of helpfull suggestions. Currently at work so I'm not at home with my list of helpfull ideas for the game.

Thanks all

Can we just get the bloody ship penalties removed from T2 missiles already?

How the hell can my Merlin or Hawk ever equip range bonused javelin rockets when they slow me to a crawl? Meanwhile everyone zips around blowing **** up!

Did someone forget Caldari are already the slowest race with the largest sig radius? Now we are the only ones left with punishing T2 ammo that makes our ship.....Even Slower AND Fatter!

Please fix this.

They don't and most probably shouldn't, such has HAM's they should be buffed for explosion radius and some dps but that's it, if you want implants and skills to affect those you'll see torps everywhere OS'in cruisers.

One big thing is damage projection, compare the range and damage of HMLs with LR ammo to Rails, Artillary, or Beams. HMLS will do more damage at longer range. Compare the damage and range of HAMS to the close range weapons. The whole gimmick of missiles is that, with the possible exception of superfallof macharials and mega pulses against torps they will do more dps at longer range. That is made up for by the fact that they can only increase their dps by using t2 missiles, and then the increase is relatively minor.

TL;DR, I made a (super simplified) DPS graph because if I make an EFT graph, no one will look at the link. That, and such a graph will not take into account important things like the fact that turreted weapons have more than one choice of range.

|--\
|....\ <--Turret DPS
|......\
|------\-------------- <--Missile DPS
|..........\................|
|............\..............|
|..............\............|
|................\..........|
|..................\........|
|....................\......|
|......................\....|

Y axis - DPS
X axis - Range

Side note:
- Missiles get to choose 100% damage type to affect target's lowest resist.
- Missiles always hit, even if they don't hit well
- Missiles do not get wrecking hits (1% of all shots fired iirc, as long as the guns have at least a 1% chance to hit)
- Missile damage is not debuffed by the actions of the ship firing the shots (then again it cannot be buffed by trying to make target's angular velocity zero), much dps is lost on turret ships moving in a direction that messes with transversal and angular; the fact that this is not the case with missiles is what makes 100mn tengus are so amazing.
- The long range ends up hurting the larger ships in the way that long range hurts rail boats. The fix to this is to make warp range 300 km and change max locking range to 300 km. It is pointless to be able to shoot at a range further than the minimum range required to warp, as current probing mechanics make it too easy to probe out that fleet and warp right on top of it. I am not saying that if the changes happen, Cruise ravens will become the be-all, end-all of fleet fighting, or that they will be used at all for that matter. But they might be for at least a little bit.

The buff that Missiles need... Visible launchers rather than them just spawning outside the ship and going down range.

Confirming you get the leisure to check opponent's turrets and decipher the new models before they fire.

I think missiles are kinda fine. Removing penalties on T2 ammo will be sufficient.