Warfare & Tactics

So, I'm a big fan of cloaked ships and a bigger fan of wormholes for the level of stealth they allow. I usually run solo but decided to start dual-boxing so I can expand my list of potential targets. I'm trying to figure out what the best cloaked duo-team would be for ganking in wormholes. I'm talking about ganking combat ships, people that can try to fight back, as you don't need more than one ship to gank miners. I'm mostly focused on ganking solo Tengu's found in C3s.

Requirements for both ships are

Covert Ops Cloak
Core Probe Launcher (expanded preferred on one but core will do for finding anoms)

So that leaves, stealth bombers, four racial recons, four cloaky T3s.

I can currently fly an Arazu, Pilgrim, Proteus, and Legion on my main, with pretty much maxed skills for them all. I'm trying to find the best second ship to complement one of these. The best duo's I've come up with are:

Neut Legion + Gank Proteus
Pilgrim + Gank Proteus
Falcon + Gank Proteus
Pilgrim + Falcon

I'm staying away from the typical recon duo of Arazu + Rapier because they don't have enough dps to break the active tank of a lot of WH runners.

I'm favoring a Neut Legion or a Pilgrim to **** the cap of WH Tengus. Pilgrim brings with it some drone DPS, Legion brings with it WAY more neuts and a **** ton of tank but no/light DPS.

With all of these duo's, there needs to be some way to survive as even a capped out Tengu can still do like 600-700 dps. The Legion + Proteus combo can survive by fielding an active tank to out rep the Tengu's dps (you can probably also assume the Tengu is shooting kinetic missiles for the bonus and fit a kinetic hardener). With a Falcon in the combo, you can perma-jam a solo tengu to mitigate dps, but you'll need some neuts to break his tank and DPS to finish him off.


I just can't decide what to go with. Anyone have any thoughts?

Alright, after a bit of EFT'ing I think I have a decent duo.

Remote Rep Neut Legion and Remote Rep Blaster Proteus.

Basic fit is:

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Legion

DCU II
EANM II x 2
Kin Hardener

10MN AB II
Scram
Web
Med Cap Booster

Covert Ops Cloak
Core Prob Launcher (or sisters)
Med Remote Rep x 2
Med Neut x 2
Small Neut x 2

Rigs for neuts and remote rep cap

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Proteus

DCU II
EANM II x 2
Mag Field Stab x 2

10MN AB II
Scram
Web
Med Cap Booster

Covert Ops Cloak
Sisters Expanded Probe Launcher
Med Remote Rep x 2
Heavy Neutron Blaster II x 2

5 choice light drones
Rigs of choice as it is cap stable, probably hybrid damage

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These two ships can tank 700-900 omni dps, 1700-2100 kinetic dps. The Proteus does about 400 dps. They are both cable stable with everything running, although I probably won't perma-run the AB on the Proteus because of dps and tracking. The Legion can neut an active tanked Tengu dry in 20-30 seconds and keep him capped out, while the proteus destroys what's left. They both have probe launchers just in case they get stuck in a hole. The proteus has a bit of an explosive damage hole, but can tank a single Tengu using explosive missiles with the AB running and/or the remote reps overheated.

I think these two ships should be able to take on a variety of solo WH runners....

Nevermind, found it.

Is 2x cloaky Prots enough to break the tank of a typical solo WH Tengu?

Bro Like you said earlier stick with the neut legion and Proteus. There is nothing you can do if you cant turn their reps off and that also gives them time to call in reinforcements. Best to have both have

Hell, you could even put ECM drones in the pilgrim to further improve your survivability.

The idea that you need two cloaky T3's to make a viable cloaky gang is fallacious. For instance, both ships have a 5 second cooldown after decloaking, which is enough to let ships get away. Secondly, when you jump one T3 through a wormhole and it is spotted cloaking up, that rings alarm bells. If your second is on d-scan, anyone who is watching it is going to pull out.

Far too few consider a lone covops a threat.

Don't underestimate the humble covops, be it a SB or a covops frigate. Sudden Buggery employs daredevil Cheetah pilots who will happily lay point on Tengus for gangs. The key is to be in warp the second the Cheetah decloaks at 2,000m. And to have the Cheetah fit properly so it can survive the first two volleys from its victim and then GTFO...or not, depending on whether you are willing to burn a covops to keep point.

You can tank a Drake for 30-90 seconds with a Cheetah, depending on his professionalism, wakefulness, drones, missile choice (lolrages are best). If you can't land your DPS ship on target by then, you suck.

Stick two damps on a Manticore, load with res scripts.

No decloak delay, and a Drake will take >25secs to even target lock you. Then just use a Neut-cane (or whatevs) to pew pew it down. Swap to range scripts and orbit out of range of it's ability to lock you once you no longer need to stay in point range.

Using 2 T3 cruisers is just outright silly when only one needs to be cloaky.

Hint: the Drake is often bait.

The duo I use is Pilgrim and Guardian

Pilgrim warps around and stalks the prey. After it engages I warp in the Guardian for RR.

I use a guardian with a cloak that stays cloaked on the entry of the WH. Also need to use a cap booster since it's solo guardian.

This way I get the best recon availiable and great tank. The guardian warps at range, and if needed it throws ecm drones on my target.

So far worked great. Managed to even fight outnumbred (once was 5vs2), and with sleeper agro that is also not funny...