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Make Providence the fastest freighter
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Annette Nolen
Perkone
Caldari State
#1 - 2014-05-23 16:11:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Annette Nolen
I would like to see the Providence have a higher top-speed than the Fenrir. Basically, swap the Providence and Fenrir max velocity stat. However, leave the Fenrir as the most agile.

Why? There are two styles of hauling, autopilot and manual. There are benefits and drawbacks to each, but in either case, provided you stay under safe cargo values, the Fenrir wins at BOTH styles. Velocity is important to autopilot hauling while agility is important to both. Since Fenrir has the best of both stats, there's no comparison.

Moving top speed to a different freighter would turn this into an actual trade off. Charon already wins for max cargo and Obelisk wins for best tank, but there's very little to differentiate Providence and Fenrir, especially now that their cargo capacity is the same. This change would give the Providence a relevant distinction and make it best-in-class at something.
Myst Valkyria
Red Frog Freight
Red-Frog
#2 - 2014-05-23 16:15:14 UTC
But the Providence wins in the "Best Looking" category :P
David Ben Ami
Doomheim
#3 - 2014-05-23 16:16:57 UTC
@Anette Nolan:
I like your suggestion.

And I agree the Provi is the best looking freighter.
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#4 - 2014-05-23 17:50:58 UTC
Annette Nolen wrote:


Why? There are two styles of hauling, autopilot and manual.


You should have left your original wording, then we could take you seriously.
Ahost Gceo
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2014-05-23 18:31:03 UTC
I'm going to point out the traits of the races as a solid reason to say no.

Amarr: Armor, meant for tanking.
Minmatar: Agility and speed are their main traits.

In summary, the Provi should have a good amount of EHP more than the Fenrir, but the Fenrir should continue being faster and more agile.

CCP ignore me please, I make too much sense.
Annette Nolen
Perkone
Caldari State
#6 - 2014-05-23 18:39:58 UTC
Ahost Gceo wrote:
I'm going to point out the traits of the races as a solid reason to say no.

Amarr: Armor, meant for tanking.
Minmatar: Agility and speed are their main traits.

In summary, the Provi should have a good amount of EHP more than the Fenrir, but the Fenrir should continue being faster and more agile.


The small extra tank on the Provi is pointless. If you actually wanted heavy tank for some purpose, you'll be picking an Obelisk. The rest of the time your best tank is to not be a juicy target. The small tanking benefit of a Provi over a Fenrir has no practical value; if someone plans to gank you, you're going down.

As for the racial argument... racial arguments stop being compelling the minute it affects gameplay. This affects gameplay. If you roll a freighter alt right now, you might legitimately pick between Fenrir, Charon, and Obelisk for various reasons (further impacted by the corresponding benefits at the JF levels). You would NEVER pick Providence unless you were doing so for RP or aesthetic reasons.

Also... have you seen the engine bay on a Provi? That sucker should definitely be going fastest, even if it isn't as nimble or quick to get up to speed.
Annette Nolen
Perkone
Caldari State
#7 - 2014-05-23 18:43:29 UTC
Domanique Altares wrote:
Annette Nolen wrote:


Why? There are two styles of hauling, autopilot and manual.


You should have left your original wording, then we could take you seriously.


So you've never dual-boxed a scout, link alt, bait ship, or second combat pilot? Roll Suuure....

But thanks for the bump!
Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2014-05-23 19:06:12 UTC
Annette Nolen wrote:
Domanique Altares wrote:
Annette Nolen wrote:


Why? There are two styles of hauling, autopilot and manual.


You should have left your original wording, then we could take you seriously.


So you've never dual-boxed a scout, link alt, bait ship, or second combat pilot? Roll Suuure....

But thanks for the bump!

Considering most EVE players who arent scared bears have friends to do that stuff for them, we dont multibox those things.
Captain Finklestein
Doomheim
#9 - 2014-05-23 19:34:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Captain Finklestein
Nariya Kentaya wrote:
Annette Nolen wrote:
Domanique Altares wrote:
Annette Nolen wrote:


Why? There are two styles of hauling, autopilot and manual.


You should have left your original wording, then we could take you seriously.


So you've never dual-boxed a scout, link alt, bait ship, or second combat pilot? Roll Suuure....

But thanks for the bump!

Considering most EVE players who arent scared bears have friends to do that stuff for them, we dont multibox those things.

Someone hasn't played EVE clearly.
Most EVE players - with or without friends, scared or not scared - use alts as described. If you don't use alts, you don't know how to play EVE.

Also confirming auto-piloting is perfectly fine when you know what you're doing (i.e. are known by the gankers to always be hauling non-profitable amounts of cargo).

It's just more financially viable for me.
Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2014-05-23 22:53:07 UTC
Captain Finklestein wrote:
Nariya Kentaya wrote:
Annette Nolen wrote:
Domanique Altares wrote:
Annette Nolen wrote:


Why? There are two styles of hauling, autopilot and manual.


You should have left your original wording, then we could take you seriously.


So you've never dual-boxed a scout, link alt, bait ship, or second combat pilot? Roll Suuure....

But thanks for the bump!

Considering most EVE players who arent scared bears have friends to do that stuff for them, we dont multibox those things.

Someone hasn't played EVE clearly.
Most EVE players - with or without friends, scared or not scared - use alts as described. If you don't use alts, you don't know how to play EVE.

Also confirming auto-piloting is perfectly fine when you know what you're doing (i.e. are known by the gankers to always be hauling non-profitable amounts of cargo).

Dont know hwo to play EVE?

Id say building a community of friendly pilots large and reliable enough to do those things in a reasonable amount of time without having to rely on multiple accounts is EXACTLY knowing how to play EVE.
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld
#11 - 2014-05-23 23:12:46 UTC
Captain Finklestein wrote:
Nariya Kentaya wrote:
Annette Nolen wrote:
Domanique Altares wrote:
Annette Nolen wrote:


Why? There are two styles of hauling, autopilot and manual.


You should have left your original wording, then we could take you seriously.


So you've never dual-boxed a scout, link alt, bait ship, or second combat pilot? Roll Suuure....

But thanks for the bump!

Considering most EVE players who arent scared bears have friends to do that stuff for them, we dont multibox those things.

Someone hasn't played EVE clearly.
Most EVE players - with or without friends, scared or not scared - use alts as described. If you don't use alts, you don't know how to play EVE.

Also confirming auto-piloting is perfectly fine when you know what you're doing (i.e. are known by the gankers to always be hauling non-profitable amounts of cargo).


It's eve online, not alts online. Flying with friends always beats flying with other versions of yourself.

Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction...
w3ak3stl1nk
Hedion University
#12 - 2014-05-23 23:50:12 UTC
Kind of sounds like you want a slower large providence with more ehp. If you can't get that then you want it to be the fastest?

Is that my two cents or yours?
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#13 - 2014-05-24 01:42:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Domanique Altares
Annette Nolen wrote:
Domanique Altares wrote:
Annette Nolen wrote:


Why? There are two styles of hauling, autopilot and manual.


You should have left your original wording, then we could take you seriously.


So you've never dual-boxed a scout, link alt, bait ship, or second combat pilot? Roll Suuure....

But thanks for the bump!


Alts have nothing to do with it. You can admit to AFK play and people will respect you more.
Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
#14 - 2014-05-24 02:00:49 UTC
No. They're already making drastic changes unnecessarily to the last group of ships in Eve that need any sort of rebalance, all because people wouldn't shut the hell up. They don't need any more ideas, clueless or otherwise.

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Walter Hart White
Heisenberg Minings
#15 - 2014-05-24 02:10:36 UTC
Bullshit, you have best tank AND you want speed?
Annette Nolen
Perkone
Caldari State
#16 - 2014-05-24 05:44:50 UTC
w3ak3stl1nk wrote:
Kind of sounds like you want a slower large providence with more ehp. If you can't get that then you want it to be the fastest?


... what? I want the Providence to be the best at something other than looking awesome. It currently has no useful niche and excels at nothing. Post-Kronos, that will still be true.

I want the fastest freighter to be separated from the most agile freighter to force a trade-off choice between the two hauling styles for hisec freight. Given that the Providence lacks a best-in-class strength, it seems like a natural fit to move the best-in-class speed over to it.

Walter Hart White wrote:
Bullshit, you have best tank AND you want speed?


Obelisk has the best tank. If, for some bizarre reason, I actually cared about the tank on my freighter, I wouldn't be using a Provi.

Sobaan Tali wrote:
No. They're already making drastic changes unnecessarily to the last group of ships in Eve that need any sort of rebalance, all because people wouldn't shut the hell up. They don't need any more ideas, clueless or otherwise.


The freighter changes are awesome. But regardless of your opinion on the freighter changes, the fact that they are massively rebalancing them seems like the PERFECT time to give the Providence a best-in-class stat.

Plus, let's be honest... the Provi clearly *looks* like it should be the fastest.
Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2014-05-24 06:06:01 UTC
If one of them is going to be faster than Minmatar, I'd think it should be Gallente. They do speed ships at times. But then again, best tank makes sense for Gallente when the ships are mostly hull HP. And the fastest one should be one of the smaller, but Gallente are fairly industry-centric so doesn't make much sense theirs would be smaller.

Maybe the explanation for Amarr freighters being fast could be that their advanced structural technology allows them to fit more powerful engines?

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Mos7Wan7ed
Hardcore Industries
#18 - 2014-05-24 06:15:57 UTC
Annette Nolen wrote:
I would like to see the Providence have a higher top-speed than the Fenrir. Basically, swap the Providence and Fenrir max velocity stat. However, leave the Fenrir as the most agile.

Why? There are two styles of hauling, autopilot and manual. There are benefits and drawbacks to each, but in either case, provided you stay under safe cargo values, the Fenrir wins at BOTH styles. Velocity is important to autopilot hauling while agility is important to both. Since Fenrir has the best of both stats, there's no comparison.

Moving top speed to a different freighter would turn this into an actual trade off. Charon already wins for max cargo and Obelisk wins for best tank, but there's very little to differentiate Providence and Fenrir, especially now that their cargo capacity is the same. This change would give the Providence a relevant distinction and make it best-in-class at something.


CCP already took a look at freighters. CCP is making changes to allow rigs to be added. You can modify the freighters how ever you like. One freighter being the most this vers another being the most that. The differences are not big enough to warrant a re-balance.
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#19 - 2014-05-24 07:57:53 UTC
Mos7Wan7ed wrote:

CCP already took a look at freighters. CCP is making changes to allow rigs to be added. You can modify the freighters how ever you like. One freighter being the most this vers another being the most that. The differences are not big enough to warrant a re-balance.


Rigs will no longer be on freighters. Instead, they are getting low slots.
Sigras
Conglomo
#20 - 2014-05-24 09:43:43 UTC
IMHO there are three main attributes as far as freighters go.

1. EHP - This rightfully goes to the gallente as they (almost?) always have the most hull on their ships
2. Speed - This rightfully goes to the minamtar as their ships are almost always the fastest
3. Cargo Space - This makes sense going to the caldari as their ships are almost always biggest and slowest out of the box

So what's left for the amarr? TBH I would be happy if they were 2nd best at all three... There is a place for the jack of all trades master of none in this race, so the stats would look as follows:

1. Fenrir - Best Speed (1), Smallest Cargo (4), Least EHP (4)
2. Obelisk - Second Slowest (3), Second Smallest Cargo (3), Most EHP (1)
3. Charon - Slowest (4), Largest Cargo (1), Second Least EHP (3)
4. Providence - Second Fastest (2), Second Largest Cargo (2), Second Most EHP (2)

Thoughts?
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