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Amarr/Minmatar zone - what's up at the moment? (Reloaded)

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Flyinghotpocket
Small Focused Memes
Ragequit Cancel Sub
#361 - 2014-05-22 18:19:10 UTC
Kaea Astridsson wrote:
Can't... resist... Maximus Decimal. I think your input would be very much appreciated in the Fraction Warfare post

Also, totally not impartial being posted by Matari and supported by another Matari. How come there is so much drama between the different factions - thought FW mostly was a tool to get more small gang fights and get paid well enough to keep doing it on a daily basis.

Fw is a tool to pay for your titan.

Amarr Militia Representative - A jar of nitro
Kary Franks
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#362 - 2014-05-23 08:15:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Kary Franks
Maximus Decimal wrote:
Nice article here by Raphael Saint. He always does a great job of remaining as impartial as he can... for a marrian

Good read, and as nobody is putting updates in here I figured this would fill the gap a little...


Kary Franks wrote:
Good read from micky. Great job at giving an impartial reporting of the warzone.


Confirming that it was a super serious post. Although Micky's post is accurate from our viewpoint.

Maximus Decimal wrote:
You lot have only ever once been able to coordinate properly... for a week... against one of your own.

Just... LOL

See you in the killing fields.


You seem mad.

Anyways... all this forum talk is boring. With your proper coordination skills you can easily win the day on the field! [note: it is just a regular field until you actually do some killing]
David Devant
CTRL-Q
Ushra'Khan
#363 - 2014-05-23 10:29:47 UTC
Current situation in EU TZ is indeed dire. FW is **** for anything bar frigate skirmishes. Amarr can't counter a 20 man cruiser gang in our TZ and haven't been able to for the past few years.

In the good old days there used to be 100 man battleship clashes between the militia. Now we have this. Don't give me any **** about WZ control either. You can ******* keep it.
Copper Blythe
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#364 - 2014-05-23 13:25:50 UTC
David Devant wrote:
Current situation in EU TZ is indeed dire. FW is **** for anything bar frigate skirmishes. Amarr can't counter a 20 man cruiser gang in our TZ and haven't been able to for the past few years.

In the good old days there used to be 100 man battleship clashes between the militia. Now we have this. Don't give me any **** about WZ control either. You can ******* keep it.


Those were the days..........

What is preventing this from happening now, can't be lack of cash, given that everyone gets a chance to milk the golden cow during tier flips....

Is it purely a lack of pilots ?
David Devant
CTRL-Q
Ushra'Khan
#365 - 2014-05-23 13:52:01 UTC
We could roll out a 50 man BS gang tomorrow. To be honest it's the broader context that's killed this aspect of FW. You can't drop a carrier anymore in low sec without having something horrible emerge from a cyno field 5 minutes into a fight.

Having said that though there's no good small gang engagements anymore either. There's no fighting over plexes because everyone recognises that defending a single system as a smaller entity is untenable. We ball up and watch the farmers flip it one way then the next. Not that we cared much about control 'back in the day', most fights were on gate.

Amarr need one single solid entity. I'm afraid WINMATAR ain't it. The Talwars are great for taking small plexes but when no one gives a **** they become an irrelevance. Tell your leadership to get its act together.
Christine Peeveepeeski
Low Sec Concepts
#366 - 2014-05-23 14:05:12 UTC
As a completely impartial observer (please ignore what I'm standing in front of it was just some background to something somewhere) all i can say is everyone is bad.

In fact we are all so worried about cyno's that the only thing we can all safely undock is words on a forum. I suggest we have an all out war, one where we fight over the 'sov' of systems and kills mean nothing. Oh wait.....
David Devant
CTRL-Q
Ushra'Khan
#367 - 2014-05-23 14:44:56 UTC
Christine Peeveepeeski wrote:
As a completely impartial observer (please ignore what I'm standing in front of it was just some background to something somewhere) all i can say is everyone is bad.

In fact we are all so worried about cyno's that the only thing we can all safely undock is words on a forum. I suggest we have an all out war, one where we fight over the 'sov' of systems and kills mean nothing. Oh wait.....


We run faction cruiser gangs a couple of times a week and would do more. Ironically, given what I wrote above about cynos, Shadow Cartel are the only people that give us a fight. What I'm saying is that it isn't a lack of willing on our part. If the Amarr form up a BS gang and we'll be there with bells on, cyno or no cyno.
Flyinghotpocket
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#368 - 2014-05-23 14:45:37 UTC
David Devant wrote:
We could roll out a 50 man BS gang tomorrow. To be honest it's the broader context that's killed this aspect of FW. You can't drop a carrier anymore in low sec without having something horrible emerge from a cyno field 5 minutes into a fight.

Having said that though there's no good small gang engagements anymore either. There's no fighting over plexes because everyone recognises that defending a single system as a smaller entity is untenable. We ball up and watch the farmers flip it one way then the next. Not that we cared much about control 'back in the day', most fights were on gate.

Amarr need one single solid entity. I'm afraid WINMATAR ain't it. The Talwars are great for taking small plexes but when no one gives a **** they become an irrelevance. Tell your leadership to get its act together.

as for the cyno. FW system wide cyno jammers was proposed and for some reason people were like NAW ima have my carrier farmed up in a week after inferno and i WANT to use it.

Amarr see no reason to undock bs or bc or even cruiser at all. maybe annah's gangs of 5 guardians that is nearly unbreakable unless we have a gang of similar size has something to do with it.

Amarr Militia Representative - A jar of nitro
Rahelis
Doomheim
#369 - 2014-05-23 20:16:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Rahelis
System cyno jammer - announced, then cancelled because of null bears and bridges.

It is difficult to balance rep to damage.

In general, logi ships are not really about logistics - field support, but defence. They strengthen defence to a grade where defence has the advantage over offence.

This is a siege condition, not a battle condition.

That makes combat impossible.

ECM gets nerverd, ships sensor strength get buffed.

If combat has no effect - why fight?

Siege is all right, when you defend a fixed postion. Like the siege/ triage mode of caps and marauders.

But now the logies even have the siege defence capability while moving in a running battle or skirmish.

T1 logi reaches too far.

T2 logi creates cap from nothing (I am sure this was not intended this way but stuck as a bug).

Amarr had no rep but energy transfer bonus- gals had the armor rep bonus.

Things got out of balance because of poor game design.
Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#370 - 2014-05-23 21:07:54 UTC
You do realize that playing EVE Online is entirely voluntary?
exiik Shardani
Imperial Spacedrill and Logistics
#371 - 2014-05-24 00:10:29 UTC
Micky Nox wrote:

Fweddit (j4lp) came back for a few welp fleets, but lost interest after loosing number of plex fights. Small amarrian corp "Terpene Conglomerate" still holding auga and giving good fights when they can, but they will be forced out in case of coordinated offense on that system. Chunk of active pvp pilots left Biohazard (WINMATAR.), so i assume it continues to fail cascade.


Switch Auga will not be so easy like Kourmonen 2 months ago. Some of Amarrian corps decide to hold Auga at all costs ;-) Pirate


Flyinghotpocket wrote:

as for the cyno. FW system wide cyno jammers was proposed and for some reason people were like NAW ima have my carrier farmed up in a week after inferno and i WANT to use it.


i like idea like "when FW system upgrade by LP to lvl 4 or 5, it hold system cynojammers (similar like null mechanic...)" -> picture FW wide cyno jam

sry for my English :-(
Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#372 - 2014-05-24 07:30:56 UTC
exiik Shardani wrote:
Flyinghotpocket wrote:

as for the cyno. FW system wide cyno jammers was proposed and for some reason people were like NAW ima have my carrier farmed up in a week after inferno and i WANT to use it.


i like idea like "when FW system upgrade by LP to lvl 4 or 5, it hold system cynojammers (similar like null mechanic...)" -> picture FW wide cyno jam


It'd be nice to have system upgrade actually mean something. Upgrading a system should upgrade the system's defenses in ways like that. That's the kind of stuff it should have done from the start, not this stupid 'get more useless station slots and money!' crap.
Miriya Zakalwe
World Wide Welp
#373 - 2014-05-24 08:00:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Miriya Zakalwe
Cyno jammers opens up other problems though, such as JFs no longer having close access to hubs whose best nearby lowsec is FW space, though that could be mitigated by adding more non-contestable lowsec near hubs.
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#374 - 2014-05-24 14:21:13 UTC
Removed an inappropriate post. Please keep it on topic and civil. Thank you.

ISD Dorrim Barstorlode

Senior Lead

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Flyinghotpocket
Small Focused Memes
Ragequit Cancel Sub
#375 - 2014-05-24 15:39:22 UTC
LNA base defeated in saikamon, back to huola!

eszur also claimed for the empress once again this time by biohazard!

time for the farmers to switch sides.

Amarr Militia Representative - A jar of nitro
Rahelis
Doomheim
#376 - 2014-05-24 16:05:05 UTC
Jump freighters are caps and should not be able to enter high sec.

Farmers change the "warzone" - not battles - that is what we are seeing time and time again.
Miriya Zakalwe
World Wide Welp
#377 - 2014-05-24 17:37:07 UTC
Rahelis wrote:
Jump freighters are caps and should not be able to enter high sec.


Cool story! Unfortunately not connected with reality nor the desires of the playerbase, though.
Plug in Baby
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#378 - 2014-05-25 08:46:35 UTC
Rahelis wrote:
Things got out of balance because of poor game design.


I love that there are people that actually think that logi are some broken mechanic that no one should use.

What if I told you that high end pvp often involved stable reps for both sides and the challenge was disrupting logi sufficiently to win.

This is not a forum alt, this is a forum main.
Christine Peeveepeeski
Low Sec Concepts
#379 - 2014-05-25 14:14:11 UTC
Plug in Baby wrote:
Rahelis wrote:
Things got out of balance because of poor game design.


I love that there are people that actually think that logi are some broken mechanic that no one should use.

What if I told you that high end pvp often involved stable reps for both sides and the challenge was disrupting logi sufficiently to win.


I would say that 'high end pvp' is entirely subjective and what you just descibed is why i don't touch it with a bargepole.
Plug in Baby
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#380 - 2014-05-25 15:47:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Plug in Baby
Christine Peeveepeeski wrote:

I would say that 'high end pvp' is entirely subjective and what you just descibed is why i don't touch it with a bargepole.


That is fine, no one is making you play the game that way, but loads of people just blame the game mechanics. If they don't want to play the game competitively they shouldn't complain when others do. It'd be a pretty dumb game if having an organised fleet didn't give any advantage over a ragtag fleet just out for luls.

Mess around and have fun or step up to the challenge, just don't complain when someone else doesn't chose the same way as you.

I'd say high-end pvp can be objectively defined as prioritising winning/engagement profile over things like SP,ISK and simplicity. It doesn't imply a specific doctrine, size, shield/armour or caps/subcaps. Militia is largely composed of cheap kitchen sink style gangs which clearly don't fit this bill.

This is not a forum alt, this is a forum main.