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Singeabooty Raj

Doomheim

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#21 - 2014-05-23 05:08:20 UTC | Edited by: Singeabooty Raj

Seraph Essael wrote:

Singeabooty Raj wrote:

Abrazzar wrote:

If you want to ask CCP a question, send them an email. You will not gain the response you desire in through the forums.

I have provided CCP with evidence to investigate what i evaluate to be a real life scam that exploits eve players.. Serious stuff to be honest Up to them to decide i guess.

Really? And you did all that by email?

If not, why not.

If so, you have no reason to bring it to the forums other than to try and rattle cages or in an attempt to force CCP to give you an answer. You're not very smart are you Roll

Are you one of the people who donates real money each month to eve radio not aware it's part of a wider radio network and doesn't need that cash?

+1 for trying to call me out while being blind

Black Man with Goggles

Scipio Artelius

Weaponised Vegemite

Flying Dangerous

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#22 - 2014-05-23 05:10:35 UTC | Edited by: Scipio Artelius

Seraph Essael wrote:

You're not very smart are you Roll

Intelligence is not a qualification to play the game or the forum.

It's only a requirement in order to be successful at each.

I fail miserably unfortunately.

Aside from that, we probably don't need to attack the OP. His ideas provide enough material to concentrate on anyway.

OP, same answer I gave in the last thread. If you believe Eve Radio is a scam, then don't donate any money to them. It's no more complicated than that.

Seraph Essael

Air

The Initiative.

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#23 - 2014-05-23 05:16:00 UTC | Edited by: Seraph Essael

Scipio Artelius wrote:

Seraph Essael wrote:

You're not very smart are you Roll

You mis-understood, read the sentance beforehand. What I meant (and I cannot believe I am explaining this) is that if he is trying to force CCP into giving him a reply, it really won't end well and he isn't being very smart doing said arm twisting.

Singeabooty Raj wrote:

+1 for trying to call me out while being blind

Oh yes, it's clearly me being blind to the truth. Relevant.

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Singeabooty Raj

Doomheim

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#24 - 2014-05-23 05:21:58 UTC | Edited by: Singeabooty Raj

I have made no allegations, only asked CCP for clarifiaction on what i asked pertaining to the subject matter.

That was the basis for this thread and i still await answer.

Any suggestive remarks that i have made in this thread that that eve radio was scamming the eve community out of rl cash.....

.... if i am so wrong them i assume eve radio can counter these allegations.

Outwith that, they are innocent until proven quitly.

If no proof comes forward then Big smile

Black Man with Goggles

Scipio Artelius

Weaponised Vegemite

Flying Dangerous

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#25 - 2014-05-23 05:25:13 UTC

Singeabooty Raj wrote:

Outwith that, they are innocent until proven quitly.

Except, that outwith, in your view they are guilty until proven innocent.

As others have said, the forum isn't the place to ask CCP to clarify.

If you think there is an issue, raise a petition in game or through the Support site available from the EVE Universe menu at the top right of the forum.


Scipio Artelius Weaponised Vegemite Flying Dangerous Likes received: 47,807	#26 - 2014-05-23 05:27:06 UTC Seraph Essael wrote: You mis-understood, read the sentance beforehand. No, you were clear (and also correct). My comment was more of a comment that t's unfortunate you don't need to be smart to play the game or the forum. If you did, this thread would never have been started.

Gin Alley

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#27 - 2014-05-23 05:31:25 UTC

Singeabooty Raj wrote:

Brooks Puuntai wrote:

Why does it matter? It isn't really a scam since it is a donation and they still provide a service that you were aware of prior to donating that is still being provided. The actual amount they need a month is irrelevant, it wouldn't be a surprise if they said they needed more then the operating costs, in order to put some aside incase a few months of donations don't keep up with operating costs. Or if you know they want to buy some cheetos for themselves for running the service.

They aren't a charity what they do with donations isn't really relevant. So long as they continue to provide a service, and one which is primarily self and donated funded they are under no obligation to release audits.

if the rl cash you donate under false pretence goes towards augmenting the real life wallet of a player then that is what you call a real life scam not an in game eve scam

Let me tell you about Somer Blink, you know- the guy who made over 100k USD from EVE Online

Seraph Essael

Air

The Initiative.

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#28 - 2014-05-23 05:31:38 UTC | Edited by: Seraph Essael

Scipio Artelius wrote:

Seraph Essael wrote:

You mis-understood, read the sentance beforehand.

No, you were clear (and also correct).

My comment was more of a comment that t's unfortunate you don't need to be smart to play the game or the forum. If you did, this thread would never have been started.

Whoops my bad Lol

And OP, Scipio already linked the thread but I will link the post. Here's your answer.
In case you don't want to click:

ISD Gallifreyan wrote:

I have considered the input provided in this thread so far, and it is an interesting thought you had.
However there are 2 Rule Violations I cannot ignore.

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Posts regarding other companies and products or services are prohibited and any content of this nature will be removed. Posts regarding other games are however permitted on the Out of Pod Experience forum for the purposes of discussion only.

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Rumor threads and posts which are based off no actual solid information and are designed to either troll or annoy other users will be locked and removed. These kinds of threads and posts are detrimental to the wellbeing and spirit of the EVE Online Community, and can create undue panic among forum users, as well as adding to the workload of our moderators.

Eve Radio is a company that provides a service to it's listeners.
If you have an issue with the way they do business you would need to lodge a complaint with them.

I see no EULA Violations with their service.
You do not have to be in eve to listen and they do not use Eve to do business.

If you have evidence you believe is compelling enough, you should report it to CCP through the Petition System under the EULA & Terms of Servive Section.

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Singeabooty Raj Doomheim Likes received: 485	#29 - 2014-05-23 05:54:12 UTC wow @ those jumping to defence. Am i impacting your business model? Black Man with Goggles

Seraph Essael

Air

The Initiative.

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#30 - 2014-05-23 05:57:43 UTC

Singeabooty Raj wrote:

wow @ those jumping to defence. Am i impacting your business model?

At*


Singeabooty Raj Doomheim Likes received: 485	#31 - 2014-05-23 05:59:06 UTC \| Edited by: Singeabooty Raj I have asked CCP for clarification and make no allegations. I await reply with baited breath. In the interim I'd make the assumption outwith evidence however that donating to eve radio is akin to paying a players council tax irl and i would advise you men on the internet against such folly Black Man with Goggles


Scipio Artelius Weaponised Vegemite Flying Dangerous Likes received: 47,807	#32 - 2014-05-23 06:02:37 UTC 1 Singeabooty Raj wrote: I ... make no allegations ... however ... donating to eve radio is akin to paying a players council tax irl and i would advise you men on the internet against such folly Apparently, a long neck and feathers aren't required in order to be a goose.

Seraph Essael

Air

The Initiative.

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#33 - 2014-05-23 06:03:20 UTC | Edited by: Seraph Essael

Singeabooty Raj wrote:

I have asked CCP for clarification and make no allegations.

I await reply with baited breath.

In the interim I'd make the assumption outwith evidence however that donating to eve radio is akin to paying a players council tax irl
and i would advise you men on the internet against such folly

Actually you have made plenty of allegations. The difference is you have now, since we have commented on this thread, edited most of them all out of every single post.

Singeabooty Raj

Doomheim

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#34 - 2014-05-23 06:05:45 UTC | Edited by: Singeabooty Raj

Scipio Artelius wrote:

Singeabooty Raj wrote:

I ... make no allegations ... however ... donating to eve radio is akin to paying a players council tax irl
and i would advise you men on the internet against such folly

Apparently, a long neck and feathers aren't required in order to be a goose.

feathers aside, clearly i have tickled a nerve?

We both know that outwith me asking ccp to clarify i am suggesting eve radio are screwing over the eve community.

Black Man with Goggles

Chribba

Otherworld Enterprises

Otherworld Empire

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#35 - 2014-05-23 06:06:53 UTC

Why would asking for donations be misleading? Sure maybe they don't need full amount of what they ask for, but it's still up to you to donate what you feel it's worth to keep them going.

I think the case may be different if they force you to do something. As far as I know the donation is purely volunteerly and it helps them out running it. You could always do some own research to see what it may cost and compare that to get an idea if it's a legit number or not.

As far as EVE Radio goes I don't really see how CCP has anything to do with them since they are providing an external radio service that really doesn't sell any in-game EVE related things.

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Singeabooty Raj

Doomheim

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#36 - 2014-05-23 06:11:30 UTC | Edited by: Singeabooty Raj

Chribba wrote:

If you only need £400 per month in donations to sustain yet ask for £500 under the premise that the radio station will go off the air unless they get £500 then you are milking the community. That's not also taking into consideration the wider radio network eve radio is part of.

Black Man with Goggles

Singeabooty Raj

Doomheim

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#37 - 2014-05-23 06:19:40 UTC | Edited by: Singeabooty Raj

Chribba wrote:

Simple arguement - Eve Radio can easily provide audit to augment / justify the monthly donations they ask for if that's what they need to stay on air.

Outwith the ability of them to do that i can't lose this debate.

I apologise saying this but atm i am suggesting eve radio is scamming eve players out of rl cash based on unrealistic requests for monthly donations which is why i have asked CCP for clarification

Black Man with Goggles

ISD Eshtir

ISD Community Communications Liaisons

ISD Alliance

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#38 - 2014-05-23 06:28:39 UTC

We already had a thread about this and it got closed..

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Rumor threads and posts which are based off no actual solid information and are designed to either troll or annoy other users will be locked and removed. These kinds of threads and posts are detrimental to the wellbeing and spirit of the EVE Online Community, and can create undue panic among forum users, as well as adding to the workload of our moderators.

If you have an issue with EVE Radio, I suggest you contact them directly.

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