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Eve Radio Considerations

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Singeabooty Raj
Doomheim
#1 - 2014-05-23 03:38:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Singeabooty Raj
Eve Radio ask / beg eve players on a regular basis for real life cash donations to keep the station broadcasting with the suggestion that if they don't it will no longer continue to broadcast.

Outwith any form of formal audit to disclose the actual cost they incur on a monthly basis to cover operational costs, I would present the how long is a piece of string arguement.

Given this I specifically ask CCP to clarify there stance on the fact that Eve Radio use Eve and its in game media as a platform to ask for real money donations with no guarantees as to whether that request is ever valid or what the donations will actually ever be spent on.

If Eve Radio are misleading the Eve community and scamming real life money then you have a scenario where CCP are permitting it absent any form of formal regulation.

Subsequently I make this thread asking CCP to clarify.

Eve Radio claim they need x amount of cash donations per month to stay on air and ask eve players to donate real life cash

What if they are asking for more real life cash donations than they need?

No offence to any over zealous isd but the questions i have presented are not speculation and do merit answers.

Eve Radio are not CCP but they do use this game to ask for real cash.

Food for thought.

Black Man with Goggles
Karen Avioras
The Raging Raccoons
#2 - 2014-05-23 03:44:38 UTC
How much monies do they say they need?
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#3 - 2014-05-23 03:46:10 UTC
Why does it matter? It isn't really a scam since it is a donation and they still provide a service that you were aware of prior to donating that is still being provided. The actual amount they need a month is irrelevant, it wouldn't be a surprise if they said they needed more then the operating costs, in order to put some aside incase a few months of donations don't keep up with operating costs. Or if you know they want to buy some cheetos for themselves for running the service.

They aren't a charity what they do with donations isn't really relevant. So long as they continue to provide a service, and one which is primarily self and donated funded they are under no obligation to release audits.

CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it. Improving NPE / Dynamic New Eden
Singeabooty Raj
Doomheim
#4 - 2014-05-23 03:51:20 UTC
Brooks Puuntai wrote:
Why does it matter? It isn't really a scam since it is a donation and they still provide a service that you were aware of prior to donating that is still being provided. The actual amount they need a month is irrelevant, it wouldn't be a surprise if they said they needed more then the operating costs, in order to put some aside incase a few months of donations don't keep up with operating costs. Or if you know they want to buy some cheetos for themselves for running the service.

They aren't a charity what they do with donations isn't really relevant. So long as they continue to provide a service, and one which is primarily self and donated funded they are under no obligation to release audits.

if the rl cash you donate under false pretence goes towards augmenting the real life wallet of a player then that is what you call a real life scam not an in game eve scam

Black Man with Goggles
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#5 - 2014-05-23 03:54:32 UTC
Singeabooty Raj wrote:
if the rl cash you donate under false pretence goes towards augmenting the real life wallet of a player then that is what you call a real life scam not an in game eve scam

If you have any evidence of illegal activities I suggest you contact law enforcement. Lacking that, this thread is nothing more than rumour mongering and slander.

Sovereignty and Population

New Mining Mechanics
Singeabooty Raj
Doomheim
#6 - 2014-05-23 03:56:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Singeabooty Raj
Brooks Puuntai wrote:
Why does it matter? It isn't really a scam since it is a donation and they still provide a service that you were aware of prior to donating that is still being provided. The actual amount they need a month is irrelevant, it wouldn't be a surprise if they said they needed more then the operating costs, in order to put some aside incase a few months of donations don't keep up with operating costs. Or if you know they want to buy some cheetos for themselves for running the service.

They aren't a charity what they do with donations isn't really relevant. So long as they continue to provide a service, and one which is primarily self and donated funded they are under no obligation to release audits.

the underlying principle being the suggestion of using the eve media to mislead it's players into considering real life financial transactions for the benefit of the individual that was getting the excess of the donations

Black Man with Goggles
Singeabooty Raj
Doomheim
#7 - 2014-05-23 04:00:43 UTC
Abrazzar wrote:
Singeabooty Raj wrote:
if the rl cash you donate under false pretence goes towards augmenting the real life wallet of a player then that is what you call a real life scam not an in game eve scam

If you have any evidence of illegal activities I suggest you contact law enforcement. Lacking that, this thread is nothing more than rumour mongering and slander.

if it was rumour and slander then i assume eve radio could easily provide evidence of why they ask for the cash amount they do on a monthly basis?

Black Man with Goggles
Singeabooty Raj
Doomheim
#8 - 2014-05-23 04:01:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Singeabooty Raj
I have made no allegations, i have only asked for CCP clarification on the question that i asked

Black Man with Goggles
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#9 - 2014-05-23 04:28:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Doc Fury
Wait, what?! There are RL businesses making monies riding on CCP's coat tails?

You don't say...

☼

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#10 - 2014-05-23 04:32:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
Same player as this thread perhaps?

Use of the same, unusual, "outwith" term.

Not a coincidence. Just SSDD.

Your last thread was locked. I predict a similar outcome for this one.
Singeabooty Raj
Doomheim
#11 - 2014-05-23 04:36:58 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
This seems sneekily similar to a thread not all that long ago.

Will see if I can find.

Suspect an alt is at work here.

EDIT: Same player as this thread perhaps?

Except this time i'm asking for ccp clarification?

Black Man with Goggles
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#12 - 2014-05-23 04:38:24 UTC
Singeabooty Raj wrote:
this time i'm asking for ccp clarification?


Won't affect the outcome, which will be the same - a thread lock.
Seraph Essael
Air
The Initiative.
#13 - 2014-05-23 04:41:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Seraph Essael
Scipio Artelius wrote:
EDIT: Same player as this thread perhaps?

Use of the same, unusual, "outwith" term.

Not a coincidence. Just SSDD.

Your last thread was locked. I predict a similar outcome for this one.


I was thinking I had seen this exact same thread a while back. You'd think he would give up with this crap.

As for OP claiming to seek advice from CCP and wants to know their stance; If that truly was the case you would petition it and / or email them. So how about you drop the bullshit eh?

Quoted from Doc Fury: "Concerned citizens: Doc seldom plays EVE on the weekends during spring and summer, so you will always be on your own for a couple days a week. Doc spends that time collecting kittens for the on-going sacrifices, engaging in reckless outdoor activities, and speaking in the 3rd person."
Singeabooty Raj
Doomheim
#14 - 2014-05-23 04:43:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Singeabooty Raj
Not a hard nut to crack, the thread was made in the context of asking CCP a question.

That question pertains to eve radio using eve to beg / ask for real life cash.

Outwith audit how do you know the real life isk eve radio begs / asks for doesn't pay Mr Blades council tax, just saying

Black Man with Goggles
Singeabooty Raj
Doomheim
#15 - 2014-05-23 04:51:52 UTC
Hey if i am sabre rattling then Eve Radio could easily validate a break down of their monthly costs right?

Outwith me establishing my legal high ground this thread still remains me asking for CCP clarification on the question i asked.

Black Man with Goggles
Yabba Addict
Perkone
Caldari State
#16 - 2014-05-23 04:53:02 UTC
Eve Radio doesn't ask new eden for cash, it asks its' listeners for cash. Just because it is about a certain subject does NOT mean the company whose game this radio station talks about should have any responsibility about how said radio station is run or how their finances are handled.


Singeabooty Raj wrote:
real life isk
Niiice...
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#17 - 2014-05-23 04:53:08 UTC
If you want to ask CCP a question, send them an email. You will not gain the response you desire in through the forums.

Sovereignty and Population

New Mining Mechanics
SurrenderMonkey
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#18 - 2014-05-23 04:56:42 UTC
Singeabooty Raj wrote:
Scipio Artelius wrote:
This seems sneekily similar to a thread not all that long ago.

Will see if I can find.

Suspect an alt is at work here.

EDIT: Same player as this thread perhaps?

Except this time i'm asking for ccp clarification?



Well gosh, as long as you've couched your rumor-whoring in the presentation of a request for "clarification" I guess it's totally a different thing, right?

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Singeabooty Raj
Doomheim
#19 - 2014-05-23 04:58:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Singeabooty Raj
Abrazzar wrote:
If you want to ask CCP a question, send them an email. You will not gain the response you desire in through the forums.

I have provided CCP with evidence to investigate what i evaluate to be a real life scam that exploits eve players.. Serious stuff to be honest Up to them to decide i guess.

Black Man with Goggles
Seraph Essael
Air
The Initiative.
#20 - 2014-05-23 05:04:13 UTC
Singeabooty Raj wrote:
Abrazzar wrote:
If you want to ask CCP a question, send them an email. You will not gain the response you desire in through the forums.

I have provided CCP with evidence to investigate what i evaluate to be a real life scam that exploits eve players.. Serious stuff to be honest Up to them to decide i guess.

Really? And you did all that by email?

If not, why not.

If so, you have no reason to bring it to the forums other than to try and rattle cages or in an attempt to force CCP to give you an answer. You're not very smart are you Roll

Quoted from Doc Fury: "Concerned citizens: Doc seldom plays EVE on the weekends during spring and summer, so you will always be on your own for a couple days a week. Doc spends that time collecting kittens for the on-going sacrifices, engaging in reckless outdoor activities, and speaking in the 3rd person."
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