EVE General Discussion

Good. Simple equation here.

If *SHIP EXPLODES* = "grrr screw this game'/uninstalls EVE, then player was not an EVE player to begin with.

If *SHIP EXPLODES* = "grrrr I'm going to do this over and over again till I learn what I'm doing wrong and how to beat this no matter how many ships I lose" , then Player is meant for EVE and is welcomed.



You died despite being 3 on 1 and still losing, yet YOU are still here. So working as intended, right Turdas??

If you want to say that the EVE game currently is fine and that to blame is new players then that is fine (really, it is) but then you need to accept that nobody new is going to touch the game.

So you are happy with the number of new players in EVE currently?

Perhaps I was wrong... What's the point of this thread again?

Did I dream the age old issue of attracting new players to EVE and the fact that the universe has 19k players online at the moment?

And yet for 11 years new players have come to EVE. The quality ones stayed.

If it's so bad, why didn't YOU quit? Answer that if you can be honest.
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Again, if the influx of new players is sufficient, why are we (collectively the discussors of this thread) having this discussion? I am just merely saying the reasons "Why EVE isn't more popular".

Because for some reason some people think it isn't sufficient. They are IMO wrong.

They also think PVE sucks. It may for them but IMO it only sucks for people who are bad at it or uncreative.

This is a DISCUSSION board lol.

It' is very irritating to see people use the cop out of "if you think it's fine why are you posting" lol It is an attempt to stifle discussion, usually by those who deep down know that what they want is indefensible.

Me personally, I don't post (or say) anything I'm not willing to defend and i dislike those who do the opposite.


Also, i hear what you are saying and i think you are wrong. More to the point you are contradicting yourself. You say "I am not saying that I believe the opposite" but in this thread you demonstrate that this is a lie. You yourself said "PVE sucks" for instance.

Hopefully now that hes no longer the csm sofa he might remember that hes not actually a dev and just another player.

it should be a lot better. it's irritating that we're made to put up with such terrible pve. but in the case of new player retention, eve stands most to gain from not pushing newbies towards the two most boring career tracks out there, mission running and mining. the community of players is eve's real strength and newbies should be moved towards that if they're to have a fun time and hang around.

most times i hear about eve in real life and on other forums it's someone saying "i tried it out but i wasn't going anywhere, i was playing by myself and the game was really boring". i think most newbies quit after being herded into mining or missions.

e: after and because they're being herded into mining and missions! i'm not saying that pve shouldn't be improved (IT SHOULD) but that it's not the priority it's made out to be

I was herded into missions in 2007. CCP introduced easy to join faction warfare, which got me into pvp in low sec then later in null and which, oddly enough, then exposed me to much better PVE (complexes, exploration ect).

FW is still here..And now there are groups like RvB and Brave and EVe uni ect ect. Anyone with google should be able to find what they need and there are so many 'ways out' of mission and mining now.

And that's the point. if these people need to be hand-held into the fun stuff of EVE, they shouldn't be playing EVE in the 1st place. If they need better missions to prepare them for PVP, same thing, they are of the wrong mind-set for this kind of game. That's ok, that's why the rest of the MMO universe exists, to provide a place for people who need to be directed.

While I generally agree with the OP that the PVE part of EVE is pretty weak/boring/rudimentary (and I also agree that there would be countless new features - large and small - that could make it more interesting) I don't think that it's particularly important for the game or its popularity.

If you're into classic MMO PVE content then chances are that EVE is simply not the game for you. This is a PVP game - any and all activities are either a PVP activity or a means-to-an-end to improve your chances in your next PVP encounter (such as PVE missions).

I think the reason why EVE is not popular (at least by WOW standards) is due to it being both difficult, unforgiving and quite casual-unfriendly (harsh death penalty, no safe zones etc.). Incidentally all these things that make the game "niche" are also exactly the things that make it enjoyable for the fan base. So I'm totally against removing anything that makes the game difficult just to increase subscriber numbers.

That being said, it definitely wouldn't hurt to have more interesting PVE content (read: PVE content that's closer to what you go up against when fighting other players) but it's not going to suddenly make the game suitable for the masses just because mission grinding is a bit more interesting.

Making EVE suitable for the masses would break everything that makes EVE EVE.


I also fail to see the advantage of having the game grow too large. It doesn't get better just because it has a million players instead of a hundred-thousand. I prefer to have a well designed niche game made by developers that are truly interested about making a good game instead of a game that's designed to maximize the number of players (and therefor profits).

Just look at what happened when they got people like CCP Zulupark into the team - they were exactly the kind of people that care more about profit maximization then about making a great game (and coming from a company like Citibank this is hardly a surprise) and they were also the ones that wasted a ton of man-hours on a project like WiS that none (or very very few) of the real EVE fans ever asked for or wanted (it was a purely marketing thing and we all know how well that worked, eh?).