Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Have to agree. PAssed only a tiny bit of time in wormholes. But the idea of closing doors feels really awkwards and overexploitative.

The idea is simplistic and takes no account of the complexity of wormhole life.
Having an alt do a little part time PvP or "farming" does not reflect the wider reality of those who live there.
I do not know what class of wormholes your alts visit, but we obtain a great number of kills where people believe they are safe and are very very much not so.
A little patience is quite effective, opening EVERYTHING up would decimate industry and mining, and remove opportunities to kill as the only activity of note would be research pos's in c1 and C2 wormholes.

Visiting, daytripping and the casual alt in wormholes, do not give an understanding of the overall complexities and relationships that are clear to those who choose to live in them.
1.5 years without a loss? We lose and kill daily.
You are safe when the static is closed?
You clearly have not had us camped hidden in your hole, closing your static brings nothing but an illusion of solitude.

If you seek easy kills, look elsewhere, wormhole kills should not be PvP (ganking) in easy mode.

There are middle terms between opening EVEYRTHING and keeping as it is now.

At a simplistic level it would, however apart from the fact that wandering, and incoming holes spawn all the time, those who believe they are safe usually die swiftly.
There is a whole world of tactics that exploit this nativity, that are used hourly, and daily.
I clearly am not going to describe those tactics for all to learn.

However anyone who Lives in wormholes full time will understand that the idea would absolutely decimate the very targets that this proposal claims would make more available. It would just turn them into a slightly odder version of KS and their character would be irreversibly destroyed.

Wormholes are really hard to understand, their existence in their current form was a great shock to CCP, they did not and could not understand how people made them their home, safety in a wormhole does not exist, someone may be lucky for a while, but they are unquestionably the most dangerous area in EvE.

Occasionally a carebear corp believes they are safe. They realise otherwise when everything they own and everything they have earned, ceases to exist, and they are podded together with their alts back to KS.

The first rule of wormholes, is that Everything you bring in and everything you earn is already lost.

It may not happen today, but it will happen.

In the meantime they are content and prey.

All this proposal would achieve is that them leaving or being removed happens in a very short period of time.
And leaves an uninhabited desert.

So TL; DR wormholers would rather farm their victims and fight each other, rather than have the whole of them served up just once in an all you could eat buffet and be hungry forever after.

Please PLEASE come and visit.
We would love to uncloak next to you before explaining the realities of wormhole life.
You may be interested to know that most so-called carebear corps in wormhole life are the most bloodthirsty killers you will ever have the misfortune of encountering.

The PvP corps are worse than your worst nightmare...........

There are also worse groups living here, much much worse........

Ps we don't mine (much)

Tbh that is the same "You are doing it wrong, I know it much better than you but I wont tell you!!!!" argumentation that always leads nowhere.

All those hidden tactics and clever strategies you discribe work fine if you put a lot of effort into camping someone with logged off ships after surveilling their activities and bringing ships to their WH unseen and all that suff. Fine, so you actually CAN kill someone who has collapes all their exits with a lot of effort. However, it does not change the fact that still 99% (or basically everyone else) just keeps farming in almost complete safety, because random spontaneous engangements are almost non existant.

Your example of setting traps is fine, but compared to the amount of farming it is still nothing to worry about. I made hundreds of billions in ISK during the last months in WH space and I really could not care less if I had lost a Marauder or Two during that time. It makes no difference because 99% of all times I am still completely safe and untouchable while farming.

You of course are aware that your wormhole will open to someone else's static? And when they open their hole you are their K162?
And you are aware that there are wandering holes? And when you have closed your hole, we may already be here, waiting. Patiently..... It really does not need to be complicated at all, you may be lucky, you are not safe. You are deluding yourself that just because you have been lucky, you are therefore safe.

One day, I or one like me, will unknown to you, open your closed static and let through the hordes of hell.

That way leads to all being lost when the time comes, and it will. Your ships will die, and your POS and all it contains, will burn, and in your confidence it will be full and rich and a worthy sacrifice.

As Bob wills it.
Your sacrifice when due will be welcome.

We are proud to be his agent, every..single..Day.

Exterminating the prey in one massive bloodbath does not please Bob.

And yes, we are not in wormholes because we are sane.

Yeah maybe, at this moment I add -5 Billion to my calculation that still says +200b. And continue to farm after a few days as if nothing had ever happened.

These incidents of suddenly K162 opening while you are farming are sooo rare, they do not influence the profitability much.


@Topic:
More K-Space WHs in Lowsec are excellent.

Lowsec->HighSec = better logistical options.
Lowsec->Lowsec = roaming options and PvP.
Lowsec->NullSec = roaming options and PvP.

However, you should not "flood" the Systems with WHs, on average there should still be less than 1 WH per system else travelling becomes way too easy. Also these WHs should all be random, no statics, to keep the unpredictability.

does not meaning 'but later yes' mean 'no'?

You clearly have no freaking idea how much cash you can make in a WH.

A good farming Combo of 3 Ships (and its quite easy to triplebox in PvE) has a raw ISK output of 500 million ISK per Hour at least. With a bit of luck when it comes to dropping nanoribbons, you can even have double that amount.

So, given the fact that I do not farm like crazy, I extract roughly 10-15 Billion ISK a month from my WH, do the math yourself what I have earned in the last 18 Month while living in there.

WH farming is overwhelmingly lucrative with litte to no risk attached if you just follow some simple steps before farming. Believe it or believe it not. Your fancy traps and logoff gimmicks to trick someone are just the crumbs for you, while I can still eat the whole cake.