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I am someone who has done a lot of scanning both before and after the implementation of scanning modules. Your just making w-space more time consuming for all of us. We scan sigs all the time, it is our bread and butter. If you want to nerf combat probing this is not the way to go about it.

I don't think there is anything wrong with combat probing anyway, you have to take into consideration that ships can actually move to avoid combat probing, if they are moving / warping you can end up scanning them mid warp, more so now due to the warp changes from not so long ago, where for example i have ended up 300km or more away from dreads or carriers due to their really slow deceleration from warp.

Under the new system you either take an annoying, pointless nerf or get completely fucked over.

Oh, this isn't the original ESS thread. Then why does that statement still apply so well?

If you want anyone to use these outside of highsec you'll have to at least fix the interface so that dscan and probe controls aren't stuck on two tabs of the same window making it practically impossible to do defensive dscans while probing (or offensive dscanning for that matter).

Perfect, taking a new module and ensuring it will stop being used. Quite frankly, I don't care about this change from the standpoint that I already have more important modules to fit where the scanny ones go. But still, I really fail to see what this actually accomplishes from a positive standpoint...

Excellent change.

I like the tradeoff, that you can take a little more risk for faster scanning, or stay completely hidden, and scan at the old rate, you know, the one that we all survived doing. The rate that really wasn't that bad, or a whole lot slower than now.

*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal.

Nerfed back to post-Odyssey, which TBH isn't all that bad. I recall a great deal of :drama: about how scanning had become too easy at the time.

First, we're talking about straight ganks. Yeah, you won't be able to get a hit on a watchful player and be reasonably sure that he didn't notice, at least not without taking measures to make sure that you're off D-scan yourself, and yeah that'll make >15AU systems that much safer for people who take basic measures to ensure their safety.

But then, if it doesn't matter whether you're alert, that's not exactly encouraging smart play. So I don't see this as a disaster. Yeah, I'm going to be refitting my scanning ships. Yeah, the particularly paranoid will probably see my probes on scan and GTFO before I can grab them. Such is the life of a predator: you get the sick, the weak, the unlucky and the odd sacrifice. Most of the time, you get nothing. Sometimes you get lucky and pull something down in its prime, but that's not something you can really expect.

*sigh* Some numbers, because everyone loves them. Assuming all lvl V skills, a standard fit buzzard with two scanning rigs and one t2 scanning mod of each type will

1.) have ~6% better scan strength
2.) have 20% less scan deviation
3.) need ~1 second less for a scan

In practice, this means that you save 1 - 8 seconds either by 1.) or not having to re-scan, respectively (later case is comparatively rare).

Now, just to put things into context: for about every 50 wormhole signatures (this is not including all the gas/relic/data garbage that comes with scanning in wormholes) I scan, there is 1! single! ship I catch by using (combat) probes. I mention this only so as to give those non-wormholers a realistic insight on how this is going to affect our day-to-day living.

And even then, that guy I gank is most likely either afk, not paying enough attention to d-scan, OR waiting for me to come fight him anyway, so only in the rarest of cases, such a change would make any difference whatsoever and benefit the victim.

And since nobody has brought it up already: Those sensor compensation skills that CCP introduced a while back (Linky) don't only affect ECM, but a ship's signature strength as well --> and therefore your ability to scan it. If anything, one could say that the scanning mods brought back the balance that had previously been destroyed.

I really hope, you guys in Design take another good look and think what such a change would really accomplish because the difference in pvp is really absolutely negligible. Whatever those CSM8 told you, it's complete rubbish.

PS: WTB RSS combat scanner probes and T2 gravity capacitor upgrades with 200 calibration only :>

All this change tells me as a w-space resident, is that "we are going to nerf combat probing by making all scanning take you longer". No man with any sense is going to scan uncloaked, i mean really... I don't care so much about nerfing combat probing as such (although i don't think there is a need for it), but nerfing scan speed in general, no thanks.

*Snip* Removed reply to a deleted post. ISD Ezwal.

i can understand some of the mods to be active, but i would like to request the acquisition array to be passive as it doesnt add power to your ability to scan down smaller more elusive targets, just increases the frequency of your scan results.

Ah, but we won't be. (Which is fine, I don't miss it either.)

There was a space between when the new scanning mechanics rolled out and when the new modules rolled out. We'll just be back there for cloaky combat scanning, and I'm OK with that.