EVE General Discussion

If this happens they better allow ganking in stations

Just put an ISK casino in the stations. Winning.

Do we really need a new WiS thread on GD every day? I know some people are avid supporters, but we don't see FIX SOV/POS threads popping up every day with the same people chanting. Getting old.

Something like this should be in F&I, there's nothing new being discussed (although +1 to everything Stitcher mentioned).

That said the last trailer showed Legion(naires?)/Dusties fighting in what looked to be some sort of space structure. If the elements of Dust are ported from planets into space, does that class as FiS (Fighting in Space) or WiS?

It's avatar gameplay, emphasis on gameplay.

I'd like more options than just that (I also loved the exploration-of-ruins scenario they gamed out), but that will do nicely. I don't think the technology is where CCP wants it to be yet, and so I'd be surprised if anything significant happens before we start ganking Badgers as they try to build stargates.

Ships are inert. Gameplay involving ships can stick to the cycle of creation and destruction. If you have avatars, you have the potential for much more nuanced interaction and much more visceral gameplay. It would be a shame to squander that.

(As for the paucity of clothes on the NeX store, the art department is already working on that, per their presentation at FanFest.)

You see threads about it every day because people still care about it.

Something like this SHOULDN'T be in features and ideas as we're not suggesting an Idea, CQ already exists. We're having a general discussion about WiS, FiS, Avatar based gameplay.

WiS vs FiS: We're all refering the exact same thing. WiS is the most widely recognized acronym and offers the easiest method for communication on the topic and best search result hits.

Is someone forcing you to read these threads or do you just enjoy being outraged?

DUST avatars are functionally ships: metal and expressionless, and each instance of a type is indistinguishable from any other instance. There isn't even wear on the uniforms. So that's not what anyone hoping for avatar gameplay is looking for, at least not yet. An avatar is not generic.

There is the tagline for the Incarna expansion itself, that there are some things you don't want CONCORD to know about. It's a terrific premise that they did absolutely nothing with, beyond that trailer. If they did something now, with "the empires [...] losing their grip" and the pirate factions rising? It would be perfectly in theme with the game's overall direction.

Looking forward, at FanFest they showed a project they're working on to have not only single sign-on, but to have one character able to jump between different clone types, so that Dersen here could jump from his Ishtar to a Legion clone to a Valkyrie clone and back to the capsuleer clone. The character creator would be moved out of the EVE client, so that you would create a new EVE Universe character and then drop them into whatever game you wanted, whenever you wanted. Combine that with the last trailer, and suddenly you have some real potential--if they realize it. It's a goal, not a feature they've committed to shipping yet.



A few points here:

1) Right now the single largest problem new players face is an inability to break into the social circles that keep people in EVE. Accessible, purely social gameplay is a way to meet people without having to provide a full API key, submit an application, wait for someone to vet you, and then finally invite you onto their TS server. It can break the "world of walled cities" that EVE has become, at least somewhat.

2) There is downtime in EVE. Everyone has, at some point, sat around in a station or in a bunch of ships and talked, or held a corp meeting on a server with nobody logged in at all except for that one alt AFK autopiloting a freighter somewhere. Avatar gameplay that makes use of the potential of avatars can bring that all in game. Effectively, it can bring a lot more of the metagame in game.

3) Clothes are (among many) options for personal expression. Not only is this important for player identification, it can influence gameplay (see: Sabriz Adoudel picking a plain avatar so as to not attract attention or arouse suspicion). Capsuleers are unfathomably wealthy, immortal demigods. We can pilot engines of destruction the size of Manhattan Island, but there is very little variance between us, all things considered. That doesn't make any sense.

4) Capsuleers, again, are unfathomably wealthy, immortal demigods. If you want to project that image, are you honestly going to wear a t-shirt? Think of the way that the incredibly powerful have dressed throughout history.

5) I, for one, would welcome more of an open sandbox, and less shackling to the cycle of creation and destruction. That cycle must continue, and it must also extend into any avatar gameplay generally, but Dersen doesn't exist to serve the economy. He participates in it.

The future = WiS Legion.

That was from about nine to about seven years ago, and sometimes it was more than one per day.

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