Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Dammit Fozzie, that was going to be one of the most awesome features in Kronos :(

Has anyone actually looked at the power grid requirements for the MMJD? The shield based transports are already in a pretty bad place power grid wise, a Bustard with 250 grid fitting a 165 pg jump drive leaves nothing much for tank, especially if you want to put in an afterburner as well. MWD is so far out of range it's not even funny.
Shield boost bonus is also mostly a joke when the best you can do is a medium ancillary booster. That's what, a total boost of 2k shield when blowing all charges?
So it comes down to picking just one of the following: large shield extender, large ancillary booster, MMJD or MWD.

no: he was correct, it is just now possible to change now because of underlying fixes made in 2012

I can. I've done it many times. I've gotten to the point where I can reliably hit approach, toggle overheat on MWD, activate MWD, and cloak all within two server ticks (which is the same amount of time it takes to hit approach and activate MWD anyway).

But I agree, you should be able to toggle overheat while cloaked.

Well, now that the whole 'DST shoebox' is out of the way, back to the overall changes: I like it, for the most part. Crash back to the gate ability, sturdy tanks, gtfo ability, strong warp core, large cargo capacity that can be shared with the fleet.

I'm still a bit worried about the fitting abilities for a full tank and the new MMJD. Example: My Mastodon is getting gun turrets, but any 2 medium autocannons (since it's a medium hull) and the MMJD will overload the grid. And that's with no tank mods.

Other than that, I'm looking forward to these changes. The velocity bonus per level is fine by me. Slow-boating to a gate or wormhole right now is painful.

It was a suggestion I made that was relevant to the issue people keep raising about homogenization. Just because you HAVE the option to do something doesn't mean you'd NEED to use it; it simply expands the options they have available to them.
If you'd like to JUST haul large amounts of things int the most expedient manner possible with my proposal, just fly the occator or mastodon. If you're in a fleet running supply and you'd like to help your buds out to be able to shoot at things with them, then you would have that option with the bustard and impel's missiles, or any other situation where you're expecting to get in a fight.

Also, define "Secure Transport". DSTs are them, and giving them the ability to shoot back is not at all unreasonable.

As opposed to BRs?

Look if you want them to see any use at all, you have to provide a comparable balance against a cov ops transport ship. Why would anyone risk a DST when they can just take a BR and be safer? 3 trips in a BR is safer than 1 in a DST.

Bubble immunity and being hard to catch (and it only takes a single ares with one scram and one point to shut down a DST) might actually cause a player choice in deep space as to what to use. If they want to throw on 7 stabs in exchange for cargo room, go for it, you can do the same thing on a BR.

The fleet hanger thing ads no new gameplay fozzie, they aren't magically going to see any use outside of being used to pad carrier hangar array space.

Why would anyone use these over a BR in low or null? Players are far more risk averse than they are lazy, especially if hauling valuable stuff.

Again, you have to consider opportunity costs. Something CCP apparently can't seem to get their head around. Why would you ever use these over a BR? More space? Okay, no thanks. I'll take my cloaky, bridgeable and nigh invulnerable blockade runner.

If you want a ship to be used you have to make it comparable in player choice. A DST with more space is just a ****** Orca. Give it something unique, i.e. nullification.


Really, look at the ****** work arounds you've had to do to try and fit this bad design into play. The answer is right in front of you as a hangar array isn't going to crate any new gameplay options. Immunity might.

This is why I think the entire large-tanky-transport-for-getting-past-camps idea is a complete non-starter.

Either it's good enough to get past camps, which requires a reliability similar to Blockade runners, or it's not going to be used. There's nowhere in the middle; history has proved this. This entire DST pass is based on a dead horse.

I've said this for a long time, and it's why I wanted a 100k cargo transport. The mini-freighter is a role that's currently unfilled (Orcas don't count, they are not on the same skill line). The dangerous-space DST is a role that's dead on the starting line. I thought this was obvious to anyone that flew haulers, but CCP has dissappointed me immensely.

All I see out of this change for my usage is an extra 10k cargo space and more EHP for my gank-resistant highsec hauler.

Either make them stupidly hard to catch and nerf the crap out of JF's to give them demand (thus pissing off all nullsec alliances and JF pilots), or drop the entire idea of a tanky hauler and rebalance it into a role that we actually need.

That I really like. It's something we've not seen before, and it fits theme.

A Customs office gantry is 7600m3 and to upgrade it you need an additional 3200 m3 of planetary commodities.

It would be nice if DST could be used to deploy them. The cargo holds still look pretty small cargohold should be a reason to chose these over a blockade runner.