Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Low slots are so much better than rigs, since they actually give Freighters viable customization options, and without increasing their price drastically.

I'm still a bit unsatisfied with inability to fit a Damage Control though, as it's obvious that CCP wanted to please Freighter gankers with that one. Remember it's an active module, so it won't save people from ganks if they autopilot their Freighters.
However this is still somewhat countered with massive boosts to Shield and Armour Hitpoints, as Freighters will now actually have a chance to be saved from ganks if they have are being escorted by Logi or two. Can't wait the next Burn Jita to see how it'll turn out!

Providence: 350k EHP + 383k m³
Ark: 577k EHP(!) + 118k m³

Any of these strike your fancy?

I don't even fill my Orca...

I'd like to know where you got the intel that said I do...

Fozzie can you still look into lower the amount of Capital Cargo Bays needed to build a freighter because they're losing so much of their base cargo.

Can CCP confirm that it is intentional for Providence and Fenrir to now have the same base cargo capacity?

I am genuinely interested in the cognitive dissonance that has generated this conclusion. Lowslots on freighters and JFs kills small null corps?

so you have no need for a freighter, that means these changes won't worry you in the slightest.

Indeed. I suppose it's time to speak up, then.

Taking a quick look at Tippia's tables (which I will confirm when my little trained minions get around to hacking up EFT or something similar to it with numbers), there are a few things that are pretty concerning for someone who built the last two years of his EVE career on freighter ganking, with all the commensurate laughs and guffaws. There are of course many less people doing what I do than say hauling goodies around; everyone hauls at some stage or has someone haul for them - the Ministry of Love is no exception, but when there's such a glaring numbers issue put in front of me it's hard not to speak up.

I see a major opportunity in customization (honestly, I'd love to see i-stabbed fenrirs zipping around more - insert some sort of fat-shaming joke here), but I also look at that scaling on the EHP side of the chart and notice something pretty woeful in terms of the new risk balance of the freighter proposition. In the very best case for freighter/JF EHP, that being three bulkheads, you gain in the vicinity of 75% of your EHP versus pre-Kronos - an Anshar in a 0.5 system fully bulkheaded now takes something like 15 Taloses to kill - something that really only one organization tends to be able to do at any regular interval, that being mine of course (although I do have my eyes on one very promising group who continues to dazzle me at every turn). Of course, as you climb the security status ladder, that number increases dramatically. However, look at the downside on the EHP chart. Even at the very worst-case scenario for a freighter or JF's EHP (three cargo expanders), you're losing somewhere between 10-20% of the pre-Kronos EHP...hell, the Fenrir loses only 2-3%.

So then, the question to CCP Fozzie is if this is meant to be a nearly straight EHP buff for freighters, offering 75% EHP bonus on the upside versus only a 3-20% EHP drop on the downside. I'm happy to accept the nerfbat, as the Ministry of Love and me in particular have benefited in laughs and dollars over the past two years pretty heavily (not to mention Burn Jita and etc, which of course will still continue regardless), but note that not many other organizations have been able to sustain that kind of activity, and this will only increase the barrier to entry for gankers (I suspect plenty of folks in this thread would love to see that, but if you're in that camp you might imagine I'm not talking to you). So then, is this meant to be a survivability buff? Fully bulkheaded jump freighters, sitting at between 500-675k EHP (versus current of 320-365), will be damned near unkillable outside of being caught on beacons and poorly-placed cynos in lowsec. Hell, that's a quarter of a trimark/DC'd dreadnought.

Something else to consider - Jump Freighters have long been nearly risk-less (I say nearly, Freight Club's been nice enough to prove me wrong) in their operation when travelling from highsec to low. Simply jump from your trade hub to a lowsec cyno near your operation and start your cynoing. If you're coming back empty, put in bulkheads and you are yet again unkillable!

It never occurs to them. That is what is great for the gankers with this change. Significantly increase the cargo capacity and more people will put even more value into their ships. For the rest of us, we'll use the best option for the task at hand.

Like I said, if he really needed a freighter to haul loads that will only fit in a freighter, he would have done so regardless of the changes. Orcas can't move everything. Different ships for different needs.

apparently some people actually fly through gates with their jf

surprising, i know