EVE General Discussion

While buying ISK / Plex from an unauthorized merchant is against the EULA ( which btw still has to be clarified in some countries of the EU ) and effectively allows the game company in thise case CCP to block access from the game for an undefined amount of time for the user it is not a crime in any way.

In many European countries it is not allowed to sell the digital goods ( intellectual property of a game company ) but you can create a legit contractual agreement that allows to sell your time to aquire the goods as a service.

It`s the same as a "farming hand" you pay them an agreed amount for getting dirty and harvesting your potatoes for the time he spends doing it. You end up with the potatoes and he with the money.

So if CCP cancelled or withheld the agreed amount of money from the seller agreed to in a legit contract they`d be the ones committing a crime. But maybe a Dev or Team Security can clarify if they indeed cancel or withheld the money after buying ISK from a seller and on what legal base.

Please also keep in mind that CCP is not the FBI and new Eden is not a real country so I don`t see how that example actually applies.




Sorry I missed your reply so I`m adding it below.

I am not judging you or anyone else for being ignorant. People are selfish and believe what they believe in.
If you can live with actively supporting these causes and the consequences don`t concern you because you want to keep your habits then so be it.

But I think these people have shown that they are not just a distant threat in Afghanistan / Iraq but willing and able to bring the threat to your front door as they have shown over and over. If that is the world you want to live and raise your kids in ok.

I don`t.

There's alot more to it than what your government tells you. You can link statistics released from any government agency until you are blue in the face, and in fact, if you did so and actually scrutinized them you'd find that there are many discrepancies. That's not to say there isn't truth in them, but facts and figures are skewed to suit an agenda, and if you don't believe that hasn't been happening since before 2001 I'd forgive you, but if you believe that isn't the case these days I daresay it is you who are ignorant.

It's kinda sad that we now live in a world that closely resembles George Orwells 1984 and Huxley's Brave New World but we do. We let it happen for a multitude of reasons but the biggest among them was our willingness to give up alot of our freedoms after 9/11 for a sense of security. A sense of security that can arguably be called misguided and false. Our government has since that day made sure to work the fear among us in the name of preventing terrorism. Ask yourself, are you really safer?

Terrorism is nothing new, they will find funding just like they found it in the 70s before ISK existed. Instead of worrying about how they get funded, the better solution is to find out what motivates them, what makes it so easy for them to recruit and operate on a small budget. Then... then you might do some good. It's easy to buy in to the line our government has told us about their religious fanaticism and hatred for the west because of how we live. If you actually looked into the history of what we have done over there, you'd see they have a valid reason to hate us that has nothing to do with their ideology.

By the way, I wouldnt want to raise kids in this world, and it's not because of terrorism. Something much worse looms overhead.

I was refering to this.

From my understanding you tried to compare a law enforcement agency investigating drug posession with intent to distribute with a game development studio that has zero competence in investigative jurisdiction of any laws at all. Which made no sense to me.

To answer your question. The end never justify the means.

An example.
Why don't we torture accused criminals in order to find who is guilty? Because the end does not justify the means.
Or more specific the long-term outcome of ignoring principles in order to buy short-term results ends in failure of your own goals.

Also a short reminder, we can have this discussion via Private Message if you want but let`s keep the discussion focused on the topic. Thank you very much.

Thank you!

This is what people who are terrible at math actually believe.

I don't know about all places, but I can go down to the local Supermarket and buy a pre-paid credit card that is totally untraceable to me as an individual.

I do it in my house so that our kids can purchase games/music/movies etc. off itunes, appstore and google play.

Aside from narrowing it down to country of origin, pre-paid credit cards mean there isn't really a way for CCP to make all accounts traceable.

STOP TELLING ME WHAT TO DO, CCP!

Ok in order;

1) We fundementally disagree on this point.

2) No, we dont torture criminals to find their accomplices because torture is an extremely unreliable way of extracting accurate information. It is the resort of those who are incompetent in psychology.

3) If one of your principals is, for example, "The needs of the many, outweight the needs of the few" for example, there is no compromise in principles.

4) I don't recall making that offer.

This is not the sting operation we want, but it is the sting operation we need.

If you do not want CCP to have your CC information, you can buy gametime from Amazon. Works like a charm, and no more international transaction fees or random calls from the fraud department every time you Sub.

If you don't want Amazon to have your CC, then go to any store that sells gift cards and buy an Amazon gift card with cash.

http://www.amazon.com/Month-Subscription-Online-Instant-Access/dp/B00GDHD3LW/ref=sr_1_1

EDIT: CCP also takes PayPal as a form of payment.