Player Features and Ideas Discussion

(I'm basing this post on shield hardeners for simplicity, but it would apply more-or-less equally to armor hardeners.)

Right now, we have two choices when it comes to active resist modules: hardeners that provide a goodly amount of protection against a single damage type, and Invulnerability Fields that provide somewhat less protection against all damage types. If you're running a tank with multiple hardeners, this works great: plug your holes, and slap on an Invul Field for a little extra help if you have room.

But what if you're running a tank and only have room for one hardener? Do you run an EM hardener to plug that hole and leave Thermal low, or run an Invul Field and leave EM still pretty weak?

I'd like to propose for folks running single hardener tanks another option. A two-resist hardener. Fitting requirements, cap usage, and level of protection provided would be somewhere between single resist hardeners and Invul fields, but applied to two resists instead of one. And there would only be three: one with EM/Thermal, one with Kinetic/Thermal, and one with Explosive/Kinetic, one each to roughly counter each of the main type of ship guns. As an example:

EM Ward Field I
1 PG
40 CPU
2 cap/sec
50% resist to EM

Adaptive Invulnerability Field I
1PG
40 CPU
4 cap/sec
25% resist to EM/Thermal/Kinetic/Explosive

Laser Ward Field I / Hybrid Deflection Field I / Projectile Dampening Field I
1PG
40 CPU
3 cap/sec
32.5% resists to EM/Thermal, Kinetic/Thermal, or Explosive/Kinetic

Keep the resists on the new units low enough that running two separate hardeners is still stronger than running two of the new ones (i.e. EM + Thermal hardener > 2x Laser Ward Fields). These modules aren't about making strong tanks stronger, they're about giving folks with a tight module budget some extra options.

Do you want an EM and Thermal hardener, or do you want a Laser Ward Field and another midslot?

Do you leave a Thermal hole by running an EM hardener on a single hardener shield tank, or do you sacrifice some EM protection for more balanced laser protection?

Thoughts?

This is exactly the reason why your proposal would be bad. You need to make choices and deal with consequences. If you cannot squeeze in enough tank maybe you should rethink your fit or use more suitable ship or just fly around with that glaring hole in resists hoping nobody would take advantage of it.

Not supported.

This has already been suggested before, and shut down for very good reasons.



This makes tanks stronger as you can more easily (i.e with less modules) customize which resists you wish to boost and by how much. With modules increasing either 1, 2 or 4 resists, you can pretty much plug any kind of hole on every resists you have too easily. Also, a very large portion of damage sources in EVE deal 2 different types of damage. Having dual resist modules would make it too easy to counter specific weapon types.



Because choices have to be balanced. In this case they're not.

Where are your consequences for the new mods though? All I saw was a bit higher fttting requirments. I am core fitting eilite, I can shoe horn in some mods if need be. I am also not a t2 or death mindset player, I can drop in some named gear and not feel dirty about it.


When you see shielf fits for example you may have noticed many will run2-3 invuls. With the notes that fit tank to taste, invuls fit to show they clear fitting grid.


I am also not opposed to pushing fitting mods/rigs.

As long as I see some benefit I can and will slap in a pg rig and low slot mod and not live by too many fitting mods is bad thing rule. Especially with your dual resist idea. If a pg mod gets me what I need to push dual resist fittings that have me better off then DCU, well then DCU can go.

Especially on shield tankers from caldari side. Where the PVP commandment of though shall fit DCU is followed, imo, to makethe fit police zealots in corp/alliance happy. The armour and hull resists do nothing for me caldari side. My shields broken I am in spam a celestial to try for pod clearing mode. Caldari ships ship descriptions tend to be very accurate. When they say they emphasize shields at the expense of armour and hull they aren't lying about it lol.

Puppies?

It's called a reactive hardener... oh wait.

Because you don't want to see passive armor regeneration.

I have suggested this enough times before.

You need to boost it to 35%. Trust me. I've run the numbers too many times. 35% for tech 1 and 40% for tech 2.


Why not high enough that they are about the same or slightly better with just two hardeners? They already become progressively worse in comparison when you fit any more.

duplicate post, please delete

you awesome ISD you

Put 35% in each resist (T2).

Compared to 30% for invul, you get a 5% increase in both resists for completely sacrificing the other 2.

If it still seems to OP, increase CPU until it's not.


Also, although off-topic confirming ASB are way overpowered. It has to do with the PG in my opinion... up the PG to close to AAR levels and it balances out a bit.