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[WiS] A thread for those that want and/or support WiS/avatar gameplay.

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Anonymous Forumposter
State War Academy
Caldari State
#21 - 2014-05-21 07:48:21 UTC
Erica Dusette wrote:
Ok...so WiS and it's related discussion points! Big smile

Here's my 2c $19 USD worth.


Great post Erica!

While I too wasn't exactly overwhelmed by the specific new pieces they're introducing, I WAS excited that they are adding new content.

As for them not currently not working on WiS, while disappointing, I can understand and appreciate this while they just retired one project and are working on getting two new projects off the ground. But they can only sell so many shirts without providing more meaningful ways of showing them off to your friends. Cool

I do however, fear that the reality is, that in order to implement WiS, may mean the retirement of Carbon. It is a rather demanding engine with a lot of lower end systems being simply incapable of rendering multiple avatars without burning to the ground, That being said, They DID have working multiple avatar working in WoD, So I would assume the tech exists?

I completely agree that it's a natural evolution of the EVE Universe, all I can do is hope it's time in the spotlight comes sooner rather than later.
Asia Leigh
Kenshin.
Fraternity.
#22 - 2014-05-21 07:51:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Asia Leigh
....

Why do we need to continue beating this dead horse ?

IB4L
Apply the damn rules equally >.>
Erica Dusette
Division 13
#23 - 2014-05-21 07:54:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Erica Dusette
Anonymous Forumposter, why don't you post with your main?

**** the haters. Smile

Anonymous Forumposter wrote:
I WAS excited that they are adding new content.

Me too!

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I do however, fear that the reality is, that in order to implement WiS, may mean the retirement of Carbon. It is a rather demanding engine with a lot of lower end systems being simply incapable of rendering multiple avatars without burning to the ground, That being said, They DID have working multiple avatar working in WoD, So I would assume the tech exists?

Yeah, the Carbon Engine and it's issues ... this is something I discussed briefly with Webvan the other day actually (he's actually a nice guy once you get him out of GD P). He had some good points regarding it, and I agreed with him when he said that it would probably be very impractical to "remove" the carbon engine. I'm betting it'll stay - but - whether or not it's the basis of avatar gameplay content in the future, beyond character creation, is another matter. Perhaps a seperate engine will be used?

In anycase I think it's only a matter of time before the average user's PC technology catches up with Carbon's demands. So really what would overheat a graphics card two years ago probably won't overheat the graphics cards of tomorrow. So who knows. Things change! Smile

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Anonymous Forumposter
State War Academy
Caldari State
#24 - 2014-05-21 07:56:32 UTC
Asia Leigh wrote:
....

Why do we need to continue beating this dead horse ?

IB4L


This has already been answered. Please refer to post #4 for your answer.
Anonymous Forumposter
State War Academy
Caldari State
#25 - 2014-05-21 08:02:59 UTC
Erica Dusette wrote:
(he's actually a nice guy once you get him out of GD P).


Unfortunately my opinion is and will be colored by the interactions that I personally have with him/her/them. If they continue to be disruptive, then my opinion will continue to be that they are disruptive.

Erica Dusette wrote:
He had some good points regarding it, and I agreed with him when he said that it would probably be very impractical to "remove" the carbon engine. I'm betting it'll stay - but - whether or not it's the basis of avatar gameplay content in the future, beyond character creation, is another matter. Perhaps a seperate engine will be used?


This is pretty much where my current speculation stands also.

Erica Dusette wrote:
In anycase I think it's only a matter of time before the average user's PC technology catches up with Carbon's demands. So really what would overheat a graphics card two years ago probably won't overheat the graphics cards of tomorrow. So who knows. Things change! Smile


This is what I'm hoping will happen though! Smile
Asia Leigh
Kenshin.
Fraternity.
#26 - 2014-05-21 08:04:22 UTC
Erica Dusette wrote:
Anonymous Forumposter, why don't you post with your main?

**** the haters. Smile



Look I would like to see this implemented as much as anyone else, but what is thread #25447566 going to accomplish that the other ones couldn't?
Apply the damn rules equally >.>
Erica Dusette
Division 13
#27 - 2014-05-21 08:08:51 UTC
Asia Leigh wrote:
Erica Dusette wrote:
Anonymous Forumposter, why don't you post with your main?

**** the haters. Smile



Look I would like to see this implemented as much as anyone else, but what is thread #25447566 going to accomplish that the other ones couldn't?

I don't think we're trying to "accomplish" anything.

We just want to discuss an existing part of EVE that interests us.

Jack Miton > you be nice or you're sleeping on the couch again!

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Anonymous Forumposter
State War Academy
Caldari State
#28 - 2014-05-21 08:10:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Anonymous Forumposter
Asia Leigh wrote:
Look I would like to see this implemented as much as anyone else, but what is thread #25447566 going to accomplish that the other ones couldn't?


This thread already has accomplished it's goal and will continue doing so. The goal is to have a place to talk about avatar based gameplay. We're doing it right now! Smile
Susana Hoffs
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#29 - 2014-05-21 08:36:47 UTC
I fully support the OP on this.
Anonymous Forumposter
State War Academy
Caldari State
#30 - 2014-05-21 08:39:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Anonymous Forumposter
Susana Hoffs wrote:
I fully support the OP on this.


HEAR HEAR!
Solkara Starlock
Circle of Mystery
#31 - 2014-05-21 08:41:55 UTC
I'm all for avatar gameplay!
I do support the initiative for a mature discussion about all its aspects, hopes, problems, etc...


For avatar gameplay to be succesful is should also be relevant to the game as a whole. It should be able to have inpact on the industry or the economy of EVE. It should reflect the harsh environment that is the EVE universe.

It should also be structured so it doesn't burn the servers to crisps whenever a lot of people are in the system.

The route CCP has chosen with Legion is interesting from that point of view. It has potential because it shows they have learned from the CQ debacle. If you want avatar gameplay to be great, it should be its own game, with its own engine but still heavily tied to the EVE universe.
mr ed thehouseofed
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#32 - 2014-05-21 08:46:56 UTC
+1 for me . coming from a game called earth and beyond which had WIS it was great fun ,used to be able to walk up to npc"s and get missions , do r&d , trade and buy stuff on the market ,then wait for mates to dock then go out on fleet roams good times Big smile

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Falken Falcon
#33 - 2014-05-21 08:47:56 UTC
I support this thread and it's content.

Aye, Sea Turtles
Anonymous Forumposter
State War Academy
Caldari State
#34 - 2014-05-21 08:54:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Anonymous Forumposter
Solkara Starlock wrote:
I'm all for avatar gameplay!
I do support the initiative for a mature discussion about all its aspects, hopes, problems, etc...


HEAR HEAR!

Solkara Starlock wrote:
For avatar gameplay to be successful is should also be relevant to the game as a whole. It should be able to have impact on the industry or the economy of EVE. It should reflect the harsh environment that is the EVE universe.


This brings up some interesting points on industry and the EVE Universe. EVE already has a well established economy and industry system, and it's getting a massive overhaul. I don't think the new games [necessarily] need in built industry to begin with, however, I do agree with them needing to be able to impact both the economy and industry in some way. One method might be unrestricted item trading across all games. I see no reason that an EVE pilot can't own a bunch of Valkyrie fighters for the purpose of selling them, Or that a Legionnaire can't invest in some destroyers in the hopes of contracting them to people so they can provide orbital support. Another way might be the harvesting of resources that are traded to eve players who then manufacture goods for the games and trade them back. There are some issues with this concept though, one of the major ones being, IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT ANY CCP PRODUCT CAN SURVIVE ON IT'S OWN WITHOUT ANY OTHER GAMES. This is to ensure that the fate of all CCP games isn't directly tied to ALL games. I don't enjoy the thought that CCP might/may/will/has made products that aren't hugely successful, But it's far more important to plan ahead than to try and play catch up.

Solkara Starlock wrote:
The route CCP has chosen with Legion is interesting from that point of view. It has potential because it shows they have learned from the CQ debacle. If you want avatar gameplay to be great, it should be its own game, with its own engine but still heavily tied to the EVE universe.


I really think that EVE: Legion is the best candidate for Avatar's in Stations currently. But I also agree that it would need a not insignificant amount of content dedicated to the game play for it to be worthwhile. Being that Legion isn't eve greenlit yet, It would likely be a while before any resources were devoted to developing it. Ugh
Meilandra Vanderganken
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2014-05-21 09:02:11 UTC
Supporting this, I want other options than ship spinning while I'm waiting out the criminal timer! Lol
CCP Falcon
#36 - 2014-05-21 09:02:57 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Falcon
Stop creating multiple threads on the same topic.

There are plenty of threads out there already discussing WiS. Please use this thread if you'd like to continue discussion.

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