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The New High-Sec Aggression Survey
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Amyclas Amatin
SUNDERING
Goonswarm Federation
#61 - 2014-05-21 01:56:33 UTC
Oraac Ensor wrote:
First, your survey is useless as it ignores a large proportion of the player base. Next time, if there is one, make the survey applicable to everyone (i.e. including NPC corp members).

Also, as Tippia mentioned, the suicide ganking question is unanswerable for many players (me included). I have never done it, but I can't say there are no circumstances in which I might consider it. There is no option for me to say that and I can't truthfully select any of the existing options, so I can't complete the survey.

Couldn't complete all the wardec questions either, so again unable to finish the survey.

Wasted my time going through to the end before discovering that. Not helpful.


How would you rephrase some of the questions?

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Praxis Ginimic
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#62 - 2014-05-21 03:10:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Praxis Ginimic
I really did enjoy your survey. The one underlying issue that I have with it though, is alts. I felt the need to answer each question from the point of view of whichever alt it most applied to. Some questions were ambiguous in this sense.

Otherwise, good job sir

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Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#63 - 2014-05-21 04:35:28 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
I submitted mine, also I suggest that next time you word it to be a tad more... neutral.

Yeah, more my line of answers. ISK making questions could be better, but that is a broad category, maybe best to have multi answer boxes there.

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Dub Step
Death To Everyone But Us
#64 - 2014-05-21 05:26:47 UTC
I completed your survey but it was obviously generated by someone suffering victim mentality.
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#65 - 2014-05-21 08:44:13 UTC
I feel like comments in this thread are going to provide some good sources of targets for wardecs!
Oraac Ensor
#66 - 2014-05-21 10:14:05 UTC
Amyclas Amatin wrote:
Oraac Ensor wrote:
First, your survey is useless as it ignores a large proportion of the player base. Next time, if there is one, make the survey applicable to everyone (i.e. including NPC corp members).

Also, as Tippia mentioned, the suicide ganking question is unanswerable for many players (me included). I have never done it, but I can't say there are no circumstances in which I might consider it. There is no option for me to say that and I can't truthfully select any of the existing options, so I can't complete the survey.

Couldn't complete all the wardec questions either, so again unable to finish the survey.

Wasted my time going through to the end before discovering that. Not helpful.


How would you rephrase some of the questions?

By adding either an 'other' box, as you have already done in some cases, or a 'none of the above' option to every question.

The point being that with the best will in the world you will never come up with a list of specific options that cover all possibilities.

You're not alone - I find myself unable to complete about 60% of all multiple choice questionnaires I attempt because of this basic error.
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Viziam
Amarr Empire
#67 - 2014-05-21 11:09:31 UTC
Great idea, although could do with a little better execution - but then research / insight / analysis is what I do for a living, so I am probably a harsh critic!

On a serious note, if you ever want some assistance with this / future surveys, just give me a shout. I have access to some great software and you can buy me a space-beer as reward ;)

Cheers and good luck :)
Victor Andall
#68 - 2014-05-21 12:39:47 UTC
Why is there an interesting thread in GD?

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(filled out the survey)

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Da'iel Zehn
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#69 - 2014-05-21 12:53:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Da'iel Zehn
Thanks for the survey! I enjoyed filling it out. Big smile

"Anti-thief, anti-macro, anti-sweat shop, anti-pirate, anti-griefer, anti-ganker... dirt bag hunter."

The qoute there is from my bio, and how I feel about things. In light of that, I love high sec the way it is and the emergent aggression game play. I don't want it changed to make things safer. If anything, I'd like some of the changes that have been made to make things safer rolled back.

I've never declared war on anyone, but when I've gotten deced I've always been from the corp that hunts down the aggressors, keep them locked up in their station, and blow up their crap at every opportunity. The problem I have experienced is finding corp mates who feel the same way and can sustain that mentality for long periods of wars.

DZ
Ruskarn Andedare
Lion Investments
#70 - 2014-05-21 14:25:34 UTC
Amusing wee distraction - thanks
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#71 - 2014-05-21 15:47:42 UTC
High sec is mostly about the convenience for me. Sometimes it is nice to just log in for an hour and play in relative safety. Gankers are always welcome to try, but I try to make my fittings so it isn't worth their time. Right now I'm hardware and time constrained. I can't wait to get my ass back out to lowsec, and maybe try out some wormholes.

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Malcolm Shinhwa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#72 - 2014-05-21 16:22:00 UTC
Submitted my survey. Surprisingly I came down on the side of risk in hisec. I know, weird. Did not expect that at all.

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Moonlit Raid
Doomheim
#73 - 2014-05-21 17:56:58 UTC
If I were blown away every time I undocked in high sec I would no longer play the game. I'd rather just play CoD for the cheap thrill "run-gun-die." Having time and effort evaporate quickly wouldn't help a great deal with my willingness to continue playing.

My question to you is. What will you do once all those who feel the same as me have left? Fly around high sec as empty as null sec, that's what.

If brute force isn't working, you're just not using enough.

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Antihrist Pripravnik
Cultural Enrichment and Synergy of Diversity
Stain Neurodiverse Democracy
#74 - 2014-05-21 18:00:17 UTC
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
I feel like comments in this thread are going to provide some good sources of targets for wardecs!

Why not.. enlist in Amarr militia and you can shoot me all day PLol
Aramatheia
Tiffany and Co.
#75 - 2014-05-21 20:25:00 UTC
yeah i agree with some comments here about some questions being worded a little off, esp the ganking one. i dont do it myself, but i dont expecially hate the ppl who do, i've lost a barge once to a gank, but had a good fight defending myself from amother gank on a different occasion. To each his/her own.

I also made a friend from my sole instance of miner bumping lol, used a mwdgoo to ram a person out of a belt entirely, ended up talking to them for ages, and becoming friends lol

also my take on high sec war is its mostly useless, its done by 1 man corps who dont even log in let alone dont undock. I have ways around it without having to quit my corp
Velicitia
XS Tech
#76 - 2014-05-21 20:56:06 UTC
SurrenderMonkey wrote:
I don't love the wording of some of these. For example...

"Have you ever been the victim of a non-consensual war-dec? *"

I've been the recipient of such a war-dec, I've lost things in such wars (generally an offline POS while I was away from the game for a spell, **** happens), but "victim" implies an entirely different experience.


This ... so I answered "no".

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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#77 - 2014-05-21 20:57:56 UTC
Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:
Submitted my survey. Surprisingly I came down on the side of risk in hisec. I know, weird. Did not expect that at all.

You should have voted for pvp to be removed from eve entirely!

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Marie Trudeau
Trudeau Industrie SA
#78 - 2014-05-21 21:14:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Marie Trudeau
The reworded version is not bad. Less use of the word "victim" and use of more neutral terms is best.
Galen Darksmith
Sky Fighters
Rote Kapelle
#79 - 2014-05-21 21:41:26 UTC
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
Galen Darksmith wrote:

Little confused by this. I mean, theft is basically joining a corp, then taking advantage of them to steal all their ****. AWOXing is just doing the same, but blowing them up instead. I can't really see why one is fine with you, but the other is "pathetic."

Because theft requires them to trust you in a directorship role so requires an active decision on their part and work on your part.

AWOXing is taking advantage of a legacy mechanic that should have been removed from the game because it's a weird exception to the concord rules and was implemented specifically to allow testing of fits way back when, and the dueling mechanic has rendered it obsolete.

So yea, that's why I regard AWOXing as lowest of the low and a good corp theft, while scummy, is to be appreciated as a work of villany that took some effort.


Taking someone into your corporation is, in fact, an act of trust. You are giving them access to your corp channel, whatever **** you put in the public hangars, and your comms info and intel.

Second, being able to shoot corpmates means you can shoot corp thieves or spies. Calling this a "legacy mechanic" is laughable. It's not some weird exception, CONCORD legitimately does not give two ***** what goes on between you and your corpmates.

AWOXing is the punishment for lazy-ass recruiters who can't be bothered to run their group half-decently.

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Slade Trillgon
Brutor Force Federated
#80 - 2014-05-21 21:55:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Slade Trillgon
Amyclas Amatin wrote:
Tippia wrote:
The “Are you a perpetrator of suicide ganking?” is a bit of a loaded question. You really should have provided two “no” answers: “no, I don't do them”, and “no, I abhor them”. The current one slants far too heavily towards the latter.


Excellent suggestion. But I can't quite change the form now without messing up the results.


Well pull it then and re work it.

As far as I am concerned I will not participate until the wordings are changed.

EDIT: As a side note to the above, it may have sounded harsh, if so my apologies, but I do not like badly worded questionnaires. But do not get me wrong, I applaud your effort and will wait for future surveys and hope the questions are less 'biased' and/or 'shallow'.