Wormholes

Yeah, its not like 90% of dread use in wspace is for shooting subcap hulls(pve included)

Person who actually flys the ship here

Let me save everyone a great hassle

Its objectively going to be worse than it is now.

It can't be used for PvE, and its PvP power is marginalized by the fact that they can safely field any sort of subcaps and triage carrier without fear of you being able to do anything about it.

CCP actually made the 3rd worse dread worse.

if by cheap-ish you mean the most expensive dread on the market, sure.

for carriers there's no fitting difference.
for dreads there's a huge difference.
PVE dreads are armour tanked, 4-6 tracking mod, seboed fits while PVP dreads are full tank shield fits with no tracking mods.

Mostly because people are too afraid to carry multi-billion isk refits in their cargo?

You also can't carry a refit for shield to armor or vice versa due to the size of the repping mods. You can fit two cap mods in a carrier at max even if you want to try this.

Also rigs matter a lot more than you would think, particularly for pvp dreads.

Even when i dislike agreeing with our subforumtroll .... yes Carriers will be more common in C4 Space, i allready saw a few and i asume more will appear after those changes .... Yummy killmails

I still prefer a Tachyonfit battleship.

Armor dreads are ****.

Also just because you're shield tanking doesn't mean your armor repping nidhoggur can't rep your dreads who can now refit 7 lowslots to armor resist mods instead of just 5 (assuming you're running dual rep armor fits).

If you want any kind of tank on an armordread, you need to dualrep it. To get roughly the tank of a moros with just a SB and two C-types using armormods will leave you with very little slots to fit magstabs.

Paikis, just stop.

For sub cap blapping, sure, bring a tracking fit moros.
For actual dread vs. dread fights, shield fits sh*t on armour so hard that i cant believe youre even trying to have this discussion.

Hell, even a shield revelation is better in a cap fight than any armour fit.

PS: you dont compare 2 rep, 2 eanm fits to 1 booster, 2 invuls, you need to compare it to 1 booster, 2 invuls and 3 boost amps. like i said, its NOT even remotely close.

Depends on what your objective is. If you're trying to tank as much as you can for as long as you can, then yeah shield is better. I will not argue that armour is better, it isn't, simply that it is good enough to do the job. You don't need to tank their entire fleet forever, you just need to tank it long enough to get out of siege and get reps. If you're being dropped by someone who just rolled into you, then they're going to have 3 dreads at most or most likely 2 dreads and a carrier. An armour fit can easily get enough tank to survive that, especially considering the huge advantage armour has in buffer.


Blasphemy! Anyone shield tanking a Rev seriously needs to take a long hard look at themselves. Again though, depends on what you want to do with it. If your objective is to run your capacitor out in half the time and not really gain any extra tank then sure, use a shield fit.


I made the comparrison solely based upon the text quoted above it. Just as no one would shield tank with just a rep and 2 invuls, no one should shield tank with 2 reps and 2 EANMs.


Ofcourse, you need 3 SBAs for it to be a shield dread!

As I said above, that example was only used because of the text quoted above it. No one would seriously use either of those setups to tank. A shield fit is going to tank more on reps, but the armour fits have a MUCH higher buffer. Without any implants an 8 slot armour tank (5 resists+DC2) is going to have 50% more eHP than the Naglfar's 7 slot (6 mids+DC2) shield tank. Add in HG Slaves and a 5% armour implant and it's double. The extra low slots massively increase the hull buffer you can get as well. 2 extra lows doubles it.

Let me be clear, I am not saying that armour dreads are better than shields. They aren't. I have an alt training for dreads, and he'll be in a Naglfar, and NOT another Revelation. I am simply saying that they are not as bad as people make them out to be.

The fit you are talking about here was suggested for capital carebears to speed up their site times. In the situation it was suggested for, a single rep damage rigged armour dreadnaught absolutely is hands down better than anything a shield dread can do. Even Jack will agree with this.

If my Revelation ever explodes, you wont see damage rigs on it and you wont see just one repper. You might see some interesting mids though. :D

Incidently, THIS is the applied damage curves against a webbed and painted neut legion. Red is an armour fit Revelation with no heat sinks. Blue is a shield fit Naglfar with 3 gyros, 2 TEs and double the EFT damage. But yeah, armour fits are complete crap. This turns out much different against other Dreadnaughts obviously.

EDIT: SEPLLING!