EVE General Discussion

Bloke.

Wow; these are horrible ideas. I hate P2W with a PASSION. Plex is alright in its core form, but to use it
to get 'SP Buffs'... just bad.

Your Toon looks like a Meth Addict, just saying.

You make an assumption

The changes listed in the OP are things specifically available in WoW

I dont like Blizzard's terrible games, but I was not making a point about that

Well, to be fair, they are playing WOW ...



It kinda is the lower end of gaming.

I mean, my (young teenager) cousin got the gist of "Playing WOW" a few minutes after character creation ... and took an hour (and untold number of resets) to get past level 1-1 in the NES Mario Brothers... hell 30-40 minutes was just getting past that first goomba, grabbing the mushroom, and jumping over the first pit (the first 5 seconds of the level).

... I'm pretty sure that was the day I lost all faith in humanity...

If they ever bring any type of SP for plex be that accelerated learning or rightout SP you will see ALOT of older players leave as that is pretty much the reason half of us still play, because we have invested this much time already, take away the time factor where other people can pay to catch up will make it too much.
I for one would stop!

I am not a big fan of paying to win. My response, in an environment where paying to win is an option, is simply to not pay to win.
It actually sounds more like you hate people who win. I have a feeling that their method of winning really doesn't concern you.


Too much what?
What is pretty much the reason half of you still play? Is it because you maintain a huge advantage over other groups of players by virtue of the current skillpoint system? Would you really quit this GAME if newer players were allowed to be as competitive as you?

Jeez....

I can't be arsed to read the rest of the thread if it is as clever as this comment.

Nope. This assumes that there are enough people in the game that can be so easily bought and paid for, and it assumes that there is an endpoint for 'winning'. It also assumes the just because faction T3s are on an SRP that people will want to PVP in them more recklessly than they do now. It also assumes people will just take your word for it and 'flock' to you without knowing who you are first.

And the poster above you seems to think that PLEX for SP would be an advantage somehow exclusive to new players that threatens or scares older ones. Well, if newbs are paying for SP, what makes you think older players won't as well? We have a new guy in RIGID with less than 10 mil SP who went out solo in a Fed Navy Comet, no boosts, buffs, drugs, logi or ewar, and killed a player five years his senior in Faction Warfare space flying a not-****-fit Rifter. That makes him competitive. Older players know that new players can be competitive regardless of SP. So Mayhaw's argument that older players are scared of losing their advantage is ridiculous. What older players are saying is that it took x amount of time for me to train for item y and learn to use it effectively. If you're getting there in x/2 amount of time, it devalues the time, work and energy I put into my character and makes it not worth playing anymore.

We're also saying that if it becomes that easy to get SP quick, you might as well remove the SP system entirely and just start everyone off with full cap skills. Goodbye are the days of any semblance of consequence in this game and say hello to Spaceship Themepark Online (did I set that up to have the initials STO? Why yes, yes I did). Oh, one of the other reasons it takes time to train for stuff is that a system like that can also be somewhat unattractive to goldfarmers if they know that one toon getting banned means rerolling and training a new one, which takes time and money out of their RMT business. It doesn't stop them entirely, but it certainly serves to limit their activities.

Anyway, Mayhaw, if you want to be competitive in EVE, it's not SP you need, it's attitude and to some extent, reading comprehension. There's a lot of reading material out there readily available that explains why giving people the ability to pay for an advantage over others in a multiplayer video game is a terrible idea. What, pray tell, does the poor player do if he or she wants to become more competitive over someone who is 'winning' EVE just because they have more money? Using PLEX to get isk and buy faction stuff or lots of ships =/= advantage precisely because we all have the same opportunity to train for it. Add PLEX for SP buffs and suddenly, everyone with enough money is flying perfectly fit T3 cruisers and screw the guy that can only afford his sub and little more than that. It won't make you more competitive at all, because anyone older than you will still stay ahead.

It's a bad idea that would do more harm than good to this game. The limiting factor of time on SP in this game is one of its strongest primary balancing measures that make it possible for new players to be competitive with older ones and if you play for long enough, and pay attention, you'll see it for yourself eventually. But if you can't have a little patience in your skill training then you haven't got what it takes to compete with the veterans who have done it all before anyway, and no amount of SP will fix that.

And masks, please don't forget the masks!