Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Mithandra here, although I like the way he/she couldn't resist actually contributing an idea :P

I really shouldn't waffle on so much, but a part of me takes real glee annoying certain types who cannot skim read. It's almost like a tool to weed out the weak: HERE'S A PARAGRAPH. WAIT, HERE'S FOUR, CAN YOU TAKE IT?

ed. spelling, btw i spelled forum as form in the thing you added to the op, please update it for me

I'd meant ISD ban from the thread - not the poster. It's quick, simple - instant fix to an immediate problem thus hopefully alleviating some "abuse" concerns. Escalation obviously remaining an option.

The suggestion would but as I mention it's trivial to circumvent for reasons mentioned and those who like causing trouble will continue to do so and the collateral damage is excessive as the gains would be temporary at best.




I think I'd rather than one poster per account - it'd be very interesting if the forums just showed the login name and no character information

Edit: Easier to track for ISD as well.

I was going to edit this but it's turning longer than I meant.

Another idea to filter signal to noise would be a "-1" option and at -n it is automagically hidden (but manually viewable) BUT to prevent the echo chamber - that is only effective inside your own corp (option to extend to alliance) and not available to NPC corps. Thus player corps have a minor advantage at being able to filter their own stuff and help their corp mates - people in larger corps get a better quality of forum, NPC corp members get all the crap (granted it's not massive but it's ticking the box of something.

Not perfect on it's own - but it removes a lot of the collateral damage, the significant matter of just how subjective the definition of what "trolling" really is in a given thread and hopefully you're in a corp of like minded people so it should prove pretty effective.

So for example, SomeTrollGuy (hope no-one has that name) starts crashing a thread and members of corp X downvote the post(s) to the required number - then members of corp X see that as hidden from then on in. It's almost self regulating as individual content can be assessed, no echo chamber is possible and each group of users/corp members can effectively make a collective judgement about what they want to see. Other visitors to the thread can make their own judgements.

I'm sure this can be fleshed out further and it's what I'd say "fixes" everything, but would go some ways to keeping many groups happy.

If this type of censorship were to happen, I will personally open up a corp to allow those you would silence a place to go and have their voice heard.

Nice try little goon, but I suggest you head back to SA.com if you want this kind of heavy censorship.

Lets just suppose I hate people to their guts. Or may be I'm universally hated myself for some reason. May be I'm well known scammer and/or corporate thief? Or may be I'm some kind of anti-some_alliance_name activist that isn't welcomed anywhere as any corp hosting me becomes swiftly heavely wardeced? May be I'm some kind of lone and gloomy peson which are too suspiscious to fellow CEOs of most corporations? Are all those reasons seem legit for you to ban me from forums I could actually contribute something valuable? 'Cause all those character archetypes tell nothing about competency and experience, and quite typical in a world of New Eden.

Other than the misanthropy the rest of that sounds like you are paying for the consequences of your actions.

-Hates people / does not trust anyone: If you hate people I don't know why you would want to talk to anyone on the forums in the first place. The lack of trust I can see being legitimate because there are so many ways to be take advantage of if you lack the awareness of what is going on.

-Scammed people / stole from a corporation: Consequence of scamming people and stealing from a corporation.

-Said bad things about a group of people: Consequence of angering a lot of people, pretty much the angry mob has come to get whatever they can out of you. You should be prepared for retribution before you speak out against the group of people.

You are not banned either you're restricted to posting in certain areas and allowed to read posts in the other areas.

I always assume that's a rule on every forum I use, so I'd be fine with it.

I knew I was forgetting an ISD I am glad you decided to drop by.

I would think that punishment should be allowed for it and proportional to the misuse.

I'll give you an example:

CCP MintChip's introduction thread was a horrible train wreck poster A decides to report her introductory post with the following text:

"WHY THE **************** WOULD YOU HIRE THIS ************** YOU CCP."

That's a pretty grievous forum violation and would warrant a severe response, poster A would lose posting rights and eat an in-game ban for abusing CCP employees. The ISD was abused because they had to read the abomination of the report and it directly attacks a CCP employee.

A lesser offense would be something like baiting another poster into going off topic then reporting that poster for going off topic. This is a lesser offense so it'd be something like a 24 hour forum gag. However this thing takes quite a bit of nuance to handle so I'm torn between whether it would create more work than the good it would cause.

But how comes that my ingame actions - those that are being encouraged even in game's trailers - led to my inability to write my suggestions for CSM members to see? What if I would like to propose (not to discuss, but to actually propose it) some innovative corporation mechanics which would have made corporation robing activities far more exciting for both parties? Why the fact that I've became a number one enemy for some ingame alliance devoid me from the right to express myself fully at the forums? I'm honestly just can't see how one can be derived from another. Why we should censor some player who disagreed on some thing irrelevant to the forum talks with huge bunch of others? Should we create some jury then and approach each such case individually? Membership in some corp just has nothing to do with the matter. It has to do something with recruting though and there it becomes a reasonable restriction. Why coulnd't we be just safe with "one game account - one forum account" rule?

Lets keep in mind that what is currently restricted is only CAOD. That subforum being what it is provides very little incentive for the uninvolved to actively seek participation. Add the rest of the forum in which actual discussion takes place and you create a much greater incentive and as such increase the probability of individuals being willing to put forth the effort.

I think though, that one fundamental difference in our points of view is that I don't believe, as a customer, it should fall to me to go through hoops in the product I am paying for just to be able to use the public feedback and discussion tools. If I am following the rules of both the game and the forums moderation of either should not be an obstacle to me. CCP is of course free to feel otherwise, but their customers are free to evaluate the value of the service CCP provides differently should they decide to change their current posting requirements.

Lastly we differ in the idea that the value of legitimate posters can be considered equal with the negative value of a similar number of trolls. I think the forum benefits from diverse experiences and anonymity as much as "posting with ones main." This move works to stifle the diversity of play styles able to represent themselves, and while some don't see the value in supporting those players that's all the more reason for them to have their own voice.

Really though, the reason trolls have the capacity they do is that otherwise good posters give it to them. I can't count the number of topics that have been rendered useless when posters lose all sense of productivity to chase something technically incorrect (man is this pot and kettle coming from me) or try to put a troll in their place. Forum participant behavior as a whole, even those who aren't career trolls, is the cause for the degradation of conversation. Combine that with empowered moderation and these issues resolve themselves.