EVE General Discussion

The problem that everyone seems to be deliberately missing is this: The knee jerk "tough-guy" solution given by EvE's troll army is for the person in question to follow a course of action that ultimately just turns said person into another annoying troll themselves.

This is like telling a kid who is bullied at school to work out and train kung-fu until they can beat up the bullies. Sounds great until you realize that all you've really done is transferred the title of "biggest bully" from the original jerk over to a new freshly minted jerk, rather than actually ending the bullying issue itself.

In other words, the "HTFU" answer is just another way of saying "escalate the problem even further." And so this escalation continues until you've created people like Erotica1 and only then does CCP intervene - and by that point, as said example proves to anyone who's been following that particular drama festival - it now far, far too late to bring any sort of sensible solution to the table, and that's true regardless of who's side you may want to take on the matter.

So yes, I agree with OP that CCP does far too little to "nip it in the bud" and because of this many new people look at forums, realize that it's mostly just a festival of monkeys flinging poo & waving their dongs around and then, quite logically, say to themselves "If this is what 'community involvement' is all about then I'll pass, thanks."

I know that if I was shopping for a daycare center and I walked in and saw screaming kids lighting each others' hair on fire while the teachers were dozing off in the corner I'd turn right back around and never come back. No amount of reassurance that "We'd step in if it ever got really out of hand" would make me change my mind, either. That's the EvE forums and I don't blame anyone for not wanting anything to do with it.

Sadly, the community "police" here only seem to want to move in when either:
A) Things have already gone too far and the damage is already done.
B) Something offended them personally, actual forum rules be damned.

Ironically, this basically means that they are just like CONCORD: They don't prevent, only punish. Well that's fine for in-game combat, but that's sure as heck not a smart way to run your entire community. Can you imagine if real life cops acted like that?

"911: What's you emergency?"
"There's a rapist invading my home, send help!"
"Sorry, we can't do that until he's actually in your home and already raping you. Then we'll send some cops over."

That's CONCORD in a nutshell. That's also how you don't police a community in a nutshell, too. You want people to move into your neighborhood? You want your real estate prices to stay good? Then you provide a safe environment for new residents. Because right now the EvE community is basically crack-town so don't be surprised when people don't want to be a part of it.

LMAO, this is the perfect moment for an "I told you so!" Here is an example of somebody that saw an opportunity, was actually able to recognize it as an opportunity and then took advantage of it. Other forums would have never had this happen, instead it would of been a deluge of posts with as little as a single word in them, all without a bit of relevance to the topic at hand. EvE Online: The game that brought trolling out of the dank recesses of the internet and elevated it to an art form.

Yeah, like the game the forums can be harsh and hostile. When I first started posting here I automatically took a fresh pic of my **** and posted them first thing before anyone even had time to tell me to GTFO. I just wanted to get that part out of the way quick as possible so I could begin trolling and having fun like everyone else.

Had to reinstall my browser, can you email me those?

I'll leave it up to personal interpretation.