Player Features and Ideas Discussion

low grade nomads, now mid grade nomads. with even more sp/hour.

They aren't on the market yet on SiSi it seems. Nor could I find the new jump fuel rigs.

Oh yeah, who scans down sites uncloaked lol? Hi-sec maybe? Low-sec, null, and wormhole space is suicide.

As for fuel rigs:
That like saying "This rig reduces the capacitor need need of entering warp, but decreases warp speed".
I'd understand some loss of cargo space with THIS rig, but does it not defeat the purpose with reduced fuel capacity?

New medium grade Pirate implants? Interesting.

it's not like saying that at all

It's saying that you can make the trip require less fuel, but you will not be able to use it to increase your jump range... so the same trip will be less expensive.

Of course you can put fuel in your cargohold too. The fuel bay doesn't limit a JF. Still there is a cost.

bulk heads OP?? waaah?? OK just caught up your earlier convo. don't want to get too much into it except if they were so OP why is it that ships which have their greatest amount of hp in the hull(orca's) still will shield tank the majority of the time....... The only purpose bulkheads even serve atm is to just be a giant buffer. This brings me to the suggestion i made on the hull rigs forum about creating an ORE logi ship that gives a bonus to remote hull reps since their is NO TIME REASONABLE way to repair hulls outside of stations.



So can we all agree just to tell CCP don't push this update and leave the freighters alone?



Not necessarily. the only one to receive a cargo boost was the tyra or badger II. the rest had a cargo reduction or didn't move while all lost a mid slot



I understand that but it still doesn't change the fact a velocity bonus is pointless on this ship if it's supposed to be the gtfo ship. Maybe burning back to gate in low? IDK.

Incorrect.
Again, just ask. I won't bite.

Fair enough. I thought for a moment that they cost 44, not 40. The point is still the same: the bulkhead is a waste of a slot, and it's not skipped over for a lack of CPU — it's skipped over because there are far better things to put in that slot. Pretty much anything, in fact, is a better use of the slot. People might start fitting it if it was free (and they were a bit daft), but that rather suggests once more that they are far from overpowered.

They have the same superior hull-tanking support module as every other ship in the game.
You understand the value of resistances over just bulk HP, yes? And you understand the value of massive resist bonuses over very very tiny raw HP increases?

Because they are meant for specific ship sizes. Hull-tanking, not being a proper tanking mode to begin with, doesn't get that because it would just be pointless clutter. Instead, it just becomes a percentage mod like hardeners and DCUs.

I guess my main beef is that unless they were planning on actually nerfing freighters, it would seem that I should be able to get back to where I was with some combination of rigs.

For example, I should be able to use some combination of rigs to basically get back to where my Obelisk was pre-rigs. Then If I chose to, I could get an even better tank, at the expense of cargo (which helps counteract the power creep of gankers in recent years) OR larger cargo at the expense of EHP.

Right now at least I cannot find a combination of rigs that gets me back to a balanced state of where my freighter is now.

Now if the goal was an actual nerf (who knows the freighter balance pass may have chopped out cargo even without the rig idea) then so be it. It just seems like this was pitched as a buff to freighters when it really doesn't seem to be.

Granted it is hard to know without a working EFT or all available rigs at least available on SiSi.

I suppose, some large alliances with good enough logistics could make it work, but for everyone else not so much.