Player Features and Ideas Discussion

There is one substantional problem to such views - they don't account for the fact, that PvP can also sometimes can become boring. There would nothing bad about changing occupation from time to time, if not for PvE being numbling stupid.

And sometimes it's even crash of illusions concerning nullsecs' clashes and politics that drives people away from all these. There have to be something other that keeps people in game, at least for some time.

There are varying difficulties on sites and even a reduction in general influence (incursion wide difficulty) as the incursions are beaten down. If HQ fleets are too hard try vanguard fleets.

Have you eve gave a thought to sources of all those isk you are spending on those atrons and your capitals you are using now in Catch? Or it's just magically pop up one day in corp hangar to be used as replacement for lost ones? There is a full layer of gameplay in eve, which hasn't been attended by developers for years, like mining, or those agent missions. Which serves as sources of isk for game's economy and material for its industry. And claims that all the game needs is a little more PvP is equivalent to saying "Go get those isks and tritanium from those numbingly boring missions/anomalies/rocks that I could mount my shiny mega and find myself some pew-pew while you are at it". Very egoistic point of view, in fact. Or are you propose to transorm Eve in some kind of session MMO like WoT, where all ship just respawn after being blown to bits? No need for industry layer, no need for isk income, lets just sell them via ingame shop like in warthunder.

yes it does. but why put so much work into it when all players do is say 'well now ive completed the game, what now'.

what u'd have to do is what blizzard do and spend thousands of hours constantly updating PvE to stop these players getting bored. just take a look at how much diablo 3 changed in a year. skills have been over hauled, monsters have been added and entirely removed, dungeons had to be constantly added and removed, item generators are constantly updated, bosses were overhauled, recipes for weapons are constantly added, little side quests are being added and now theres an entire new expansion.

the work level required to keep the content fresh just so PvE players can have five more minutes of fun is huge. and players still get bored and move on.

with eve, the multiplayer is the content. players build it, players adapt, the meta changes.

dont rely on PvE for ur entertainment. get a T1 frig and get out there.

yeah...diablo 3 has random spawns, random dungeons, scalable difficulty with rewards. so does EVE.
and ppl still get bored, its still a grind.

PvE can be overhauled yeah, it can be improved with some greater unpredictability yeah, and id like that somewhere down the line.

but if u think it will always be fresh u are wrong. if u think it will cure stagnation u are wrong. ppl will still run it so many times that every possible outcome has been completed a thousand times. incursions were exciting for all of 5 minutes before they were clocked and exploited for farming. so are sleeper sites.

bottom line, dnt rely on PvE for ur entertainment.

what are u blathering about? i just said i'd like it to be improved upon. just as long as u realise it will eventually be farmable.

And skill books, and LP stores.

then everyone will be ganking their ships for insurance money and selling minerals and PI mats to NPC buy orders.

Wait, what?
The entire point of the original brave newbies was new player interaction and engagement. Of course they don't live in hi-sec; the only content being generated there was, and still is, wardecs and suicide ganking. I'm absolutely sure that if you looked at the average retention rates of new accounts which joined BNI in the Barleguet era, vs new accounts which leveled a raven or retriever, you'd see that goals and activities with a social component many times more engaging. Soloing anything in predictable, boring old Hisec will only engage a player so long.


Wait, what?
I rather enjoy that EvE is so very complex and takes a long time to learn properly. I do not want to see a dumbing down as you describe at all. Getting your hands dirty early, however, is a great way to get your foot in the door and start seeing all the possibilities out there; many times so over just grinding missions and waiting that 'one day' when you will venture forth into low-sec.

I understand that ISK has to come from somewhere, but it is a means to an end, not an end of itself, and there are many ways where social skills (Not one ones you put SP into) can give you easy access to it. I am not opposed to improving PvE stuff, just that it should always be second rung to other content creation tools, because it is inherently self limiting. Bottom line, players who become engaged in the world around them stay, players who tire of the one way communication there is with red crosses leave.

And thats, btw, the reason I think ability to customize the world of EVE through installation of unique structures and some kind of terraforming or even landing and changing the face of some planet would create an excellent vent out for those assets laying undisturbed for years by just selling all the tools needed via npc orders with ridiculously high cost. For many insanely rich people ingame It should be rather boring and trivial to just set their flag in some copy-paste solar system after all these years. But adorning it in your colors and imprinting it with your pesronality is a totally different thing.

i dnt agree with this.

there is already more interesting and engaging content outside of hi-sec. But most players that only play EVE for its PvE do not go to low sec or WH's no matter the rewards. this is very much because of the increased exposure to other players. There are some who will, but the majority of ppl who run the PvE in these areas are players that PvP, but run sites for isks.

the game world is alive, the players along side u are very much alive, and the players that interact with each other do stay in the game longer.

Im all for making PvE more fun and engaging for everyone. But its not going to push solo players into group play, and its not going to push ppl into lower sec systems than they already dnt go to.

What has been successful in getting solo players to play in groups is having a proactive corp. What has been successful to push ppl into lower sec systems is having ur friends take u there and support u.

TL:DR
Get some friends, get some T1 frigs and go **** someone off. Create some content.