EVE New Citizens Q&A

I found this to be a good source when I was starting out.

Be aware that you will need a logistics buddy for both the augoror and guardian. Additionally the guardian is basically unusable due to cap stability without logistics 4, and logistics 5 is preferred (it's a long train).

My advice would be to train Minmatar cruiser 5, Gallente cruiser 5, and amarr cruiser to 5, or at least two of those, probably Minmatar as top priority. Don't train up the Logistics skill with just one cruiser @ 5.

Once you have two or hopefully 3 cruisers at five, then begin training the Logistics skill, un-interrupted, to 5. Do not stop at 4. And you probably should not fly a guardian until your logistics skill is 5. It makes a large impact on not just your own performance, but your cap-chain teammates. Some alliances feel so strongly about this that they won't re-imburse Guardian losses if the pilot is not Logi-V. How one feels about that may conclusion vary, but the reason that compels that custom is a compelling one.

I also suggest filling up your watch list to it's full capacity, as a habit.

Also, Ctrl + Shift + Click on one of your targets to un-target them. During a fight, where you're straining against your maximum lock capacity, being able to un-target quickly is extremely beneficial.

Finally, prior to moving to tech2 logi(or tech2 anything, really, besides perhaps frigates), you should have very robust core skills trained beforehand.

As for skills, there are the obvious ones. But ships cannot fly on repair modules alone.

Core engineering skills are critical. Maximum capacitor capacity and recharge rates are fundamental and should be maxed ASAP. Logi itself to V is a given. Flying at Logi IV will just serve to remind you to train it to V. Thermodynamics is another skill that can save the day.

Do not forget the Navigation skill tree- you need to keep up with your fleet. Logis need to stay in cap xfer range of the logi blob as well as rep range for the other ships. Usually there is a logi anchor, but you still need to be able to keep up.

Resist skills are important. You will often be attacked directly, with a smaller tank than most of your fleet, you need to mitigate as much damage as possible so you're not blapped right off the field.

Need to be able to target many boats at once. Ten targets is pretty standard.



Beyond skills, get your overview set up properly. I have a logi tab with only friendly ships and basic navigation (gates, stations etc) items.

As a logi-bro, you will be working primarily from your Fleet Broadcast window and (for smaller fleets) your watchlist. Learn them, love them.

Train 'Thick Skin V', you will go from most loved fleet member to explaining yourself as to why it took you 1/2 second longer to switch reps and someone died. You will also need to be a bit forceful on comms- speak up if people are spamming broadcasts, let them know not to broadcast when a single bomb hits the fleet on a gate, etc.

Don't wh0re on KMs. Leave the civilian guns and couple Warrior II's at home. If you can't stand not being on a KM, fly a DPS ship. You want ONLY enemy or friendly targets at one time. Trying to juggle both is a good way to rep the enemy and send combat drones after your buddies.

Thank you all for the replies! Some really excellent advice, and frankly alot of things I didn't even know about.

To answer some questions:

This is for both PVE and PvP. My goal for right now is primarily PvE, but I logged in to see we will soon be at war, so I might be seeing some PvP action with this too.

As far as drones go, what would you guys recommend? I have received advice all over the board as to which drones to fly.

I'm of a couple of different minds as to what drones to fly.

Combat/EWar/Utility drones: I can assign these to another member of the fleet and then forget about them. I have the same concerns as Alaric posted though, if we get surprised or something I really don't want to be thinking about offensive drones.

Logistic drones: Much more inclined to fly these and use them as an added buffer, mandatory IMO if flying the Exequror. Armor drones if armor tanking, shield drones if shield tanking. Although I have had some people recommend using shield drones for armor tanks as a way to get the shields up faster, thoughts?

Also, I am going to guesstimate that we fly primarily armor tanked hulls, we're a pretty mixed bag and most of us fly Minmatar/Gallentean/Amarr ships.

Right now I have Amarr cruisers at lvl V. I plan on getting Minnie/Gallie cruisers to lvl IV, as well as most of the other skills (remote rep and the like). By this time I figure to have a better grasp of Logi ships, what my corp needs/wants, take another cruiser skill to lvl V and then do the Logi line up to lvl V.

Much training to be done!

Logi in PvE is somewhat rare other than Incursions. Most PvE content is easily solo'd so most players prefer to go it alone for maximum rewards. I think this is a mistake, and lower end (high sec) PvE should be used as a fleet training ground. It just very rarely ever is and you'll have a difficult time finding people that want to share their PvE income. However, you can take on much higher level content with even a couple friends in fleet.

For drones- as I said, I don't suggest trying to manage both enemy and friendly targets. You will have your hands full enough in a fight just responding to broadcasts for reps. I usually carry a couple repair drones opposite of the type of tanking the logi ship provides- so I bring armor rep drones in my shield logi ship. These get used between battles mostly. Some guys bring salvage drones but we rarely hang around for long after a fight. Remember, fleets are made up of roles- play your role. People that can't bear to undock unless they get their names on a KM really should just fly a DPS ship then.

For ships, I suggest the Scimitar and Oneiros only because they don't require a cap-partner. Especially in smaller fleets, finding a cap buddy can be difficult, and without a cap chain you might as well not bother undocking a Basi or Guardian. You'll probably find yourself training all racial cruisers to V at some point- it's the most versatile class of ships in Eve. Even if you end up not liking logi, any cruiser to V opens up many new ships/roles to try.

Logi is perhaps the least forgiving role to stop at IV for training skills. At logi IV the Basi/Guardian require two cap xfers to be cap stable. At logi V it's just one. The remote reppers and cap xfer skills are only 2x and should just be trained to V as a matter of course. Logi is incredibly cap-hungry and the difference between IV and V in skills can be huge. Core fitting skills should be V anyway, but it really matters when specializing in fleet roles. The Nav tree can be at IV (but again, you'll want V's at some point regardless of what you fly) as can resist skills. You'll raise these to V over the course of your Eve career anyway.

One more very important thing. Even when you can fly a T2 logi cruiser well (as I will be able to in a month; I have Logistics 5 in training now); they are not the right tool for every job. Sometimes, cheap and disposable is better than powerful.

Make sure you do them in cheap ships in lowsec rather than in more expensive ships in high. You will learn more. (Some of the lessons may involve cheap losses but that's no big deal).