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Shederov Blood
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
#61 - 2014-05-20 15:05:46 UTC
Steal mission objectives every chance you get!! Big smile

I sometimes try to sell them back, but mostly just give them back for free if they ask nicely. Sadly, the majority of them just warp off without a word, or go straight to petitioning for harassment, rather than interact with another player in a civil manner.

Who put the goat in there?
Priestess Lin
Darkfall Corp
#62 - 2014-05-20 15:06:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Priestess Lin
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Priestess Lin wrote:


its not the rules as it is poor game design that CCP isn't willing to make the effort to fix untill more people complain about it.


Out of 50,000 active at peak time

How many would you say need to complain before they change the game for you?


Well, people don't usually go around stealing other peoples required mission items, but it does happen. You would think they would just remove that ability rather than have to trouble their GMs with having to reset missions for so many players.

CCP must figure it will cost them more money than they are losing by choosing not to police scamming. Maybe they are right, but it certainly makes their game ugly.

When discussing weaknesses of heavy drones vs fast frigates: baltec1- " A thanatos with a flight of geckos killed a bomber gang while AFK. So yea, they track frigates just fine." https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4678049#post4678049
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#63 - 2014-05-20 15:07:29 UTC
Priestess Lin wrote:

Well, people don't usually go around stealing other peoples required mission items, but it does happen.
CCP must figure it will cost them more money than they are losing by choosing not to police scamming. Maybe they are right, but it certainly makes their game ugly.


Yeah, but how many people are you going to need to convince to complain about it before you think they will change the game to fit your point of view rather than the clear majority that have posted here today?

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Dave stark
#64 - 2014-05-20 15:09:13 UTC
Priestess Lin wrote:
CCP must figure it will cost them more money than they are losing by choosing not to police scamming. Maybe they are right, but it certainly makes their game ugly.

source that scamming costs ccp money. otherwise we'll have to declare that you're full of ****.

also, being able to scam in eve is something other games don't have and that uniqueness makes eve very attractive.
Priestess Lin
Darkfall Corp
#65 - 2014-05-20 15:10:09 UTC
Shederov Blood wrote:
Steal mission objectives every chance you get!! Big smile

I sometimes try to sell them back, but mostly just give them back for free if they ask nicely. Sadly, the majority of them just warp off without a word, or go straight to petitioning for harassment, rather than interact with another player in a civil manner.


You might think that is part of the game, but its not. It is simply being an a-hole because you can. As with everything, it is only a matter of time before this dumb mechanic gets changed.

When discussing weaknesses of heavy drones vs fast frigates: baltec1- " A thanatos with a flight of geckos killed a bomber gang while AFK. So yea, they track frigates just fine." https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4678049#post4678049
Desimus Maximus
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#66 - 2014-05-20 15:10:15 UTC
Priestess Lin wrote:
I suggest CCP give a kick to the face of the sociopaths...



HEY!! Some of us are high-functioning sociopaths.
Falin Whalen
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#67 - 2014-05-20 15:10:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Falin Whalen
Since you are obviously going to quit, over how everyone is a griefer, scammer, and all around sociopath, can I have your stuff, and from your main too?

EDIT: http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2004/03/19

"it's only because of their stupidity that they're able to be so sure of themselves." The Trial - Franz Kafka 
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#68 - 2014-05-20 15:12:32 UTC
Priestess Lin wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Priestess Lin wrote:


its not the rules as it is poor game design that CCP isn't willing to make the effort to fix untill more people complain about it.


Out of 50,000 active at peak time

How many would you say need to complain before they change the game for you?


Well, people don't usually go around stealing other peoples required mission items, but it does happen. You would think they would just remove that ability rather than have to trouble their GMs with having to reset missions for so many players.

CCP must figure it will cost them more money than they are losing by choosing not to police scamming. Maybe they are right, but it certainly makes their game ugly.


If you think the game is ugly, why do you stay? 11 years and CCP has allowed (hell, encouraged) scamming, it's never going to change.\

I just don't get people like you. You hate things enough to post over and over again (from behind the cover of an npc alt) but you somehow don't hate those things enough to go play a game you actually like (with a community you'd actually like)? That's insane.
Desimus Maximus
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#69 - 2014-05-20 15:12:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Desimus Maximus
tl;dr

I'm full of hope and I may have chosen the wrong game to attempt to share my love and care for the utopian world which I know exists. Also, I'm bad and have not been prudent when accepting contracts... It's my own fault but I blame you evil-Eve!
Priestess Lin
Darkfall Corp
#70 - 2014-05-20 15:13:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Priestess Lin
Dave Stark wrote:
Priestess Lin wrote:
CCP must figure it will cost them more money than they are losing by choosing not to police scamming. Maybe they are right, but it certainly makes their game ugly.

source that scamming costs ccp money. otherwise we'll have to declare that you're full of ****.

also, being able to scam in eve is something other games don't have and that uniqueness makes eve very attractive.


It likely costs them money because people hear about that crap like that and don't even want to give EVE a chance besides being an overall disgusting thing to see in chat constantly. What kind of game company is so lazy that they don't even police scamming in their game?

Is scamming and sociopathic behavior supposed to be part of the appeal? Lol

See my OP about how this game attracts degenerates.

When discussing weaknesses of heavy drones vs fast frigates: baltec1- " A thanatos with a flight of geckos killed a bomber gang while AFK. So yea, they track frigates just fine." https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4678049#post4678049
Kijo Rikki
Killboard Padding Services
#71 - 2014-05-20 15:15:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Kijo Rikki
When I heard about what happened, I thought, " That sounds exactly like what players from EvE would do!"

But then again, how many other games have such a large congregation of their playerbase all in one spot? If you said Blizzcon, fair enough....of all those people who show for that, how many have intimate knowledge of each other? It's hard to know the truly deranged among any one group of people when everyone is a stranger. You need motive and passion. There are people everywhere who will fail to separate fantasy from reality, there are people everywhere, in every game, who will take things a step too far.

From the outside looking in, it seems like we're all a bunch of blowhards but if you hop on TS and talk to people, they're no different from players in any other game. If you actually took the time to talk to people instead of getting butthurt over being taken advantage of, you might learn your tormentors are actually nice people. When you show your asterik everytime you screw up and become a victim, people tend to reflect and amplify that attitude.

You make a valid point, good Sir or Madam. 
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#72 - 2014-05-20 15:16:35 UTC
Priestess Lin wrote:
Shederov Blood wrote:
Steal mission objectives every chance you get!! Big smile

I sometimes try to sell them back, but mostly just give them back for free if they ask nicely. Sadly, the majority of them just warp off without a word, or go straight to petitioning for harassment, rather than interact with another player in a civil manner.


You might think that is part of the game, but its not. It is simply being an a-hole because you can. As with everything, it is only a matter of time before this dumb mechanic gets changed.


*another 11 years pass*

Priestess Lin: ANY MOMENT NOW!!!

*Another 11 years pass*

Priestess Lin: Yep, the year 2036 is the year CCP changes this dumb mechanic.



Bonus: we figured out who you are, you're the guy who got his COSMOS item stolen, made 3 threads about it that ISD made go bye-bye and are still on about it. I suggest medication.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#73 - 2014-05-20 15:18:16 UTC
Priestess Lin wrote:
this game attracts degenerates.


Gimme a sec to see what that means.....

degenerate
noun
dɪˈdʒɛn(ə)rət/
1.
an immoral or corrupt person.
"get out of my house, you degenerate!"
synonyms: reprobate, debauchee, rake, profligate, libertine, roué, loose-liver

Oh thank goodness

I thought you meant *******

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Priestess Lin
Darkfall Corp
#74 - 2014-05-20 15:18:22 UTC
Kijo Rikki wrote:


From the outside looking in, it seems like we're all a bunch of blowhards but if you hop on TS and talk to people, they're no different from players in any other game.


actions speak louder than words and people can be very different than they appear on voice chat.

quite a few serial killers and rapists are known for being pleasant to talk to.

When discussing weaknesses of heavy drones vs fast frigates: baltec1- " A thanatos with a flight of geckos killed a bomber gang while AFK. So yea, they track frigates just fine." https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4678049#post4678049
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#75 - 2014-05-20 15:21:11 UTC
I have one more quick question, which I imagine will go unanswered as usual as the interesting ones are always avoided...

But what qualifies the OP to be the ajudicator of moral virtue?

Judge not lest ye be judged, non?

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Kijo Rikki
Killboard Padding Services
#76 - 2014-05-20 15:21:13 UTC
Priestess Lin wrote:
Kijo Rikki wrote:


From the outside looking in, it seems like we're all a bunch of blowhards but if you hop on TS and talk to people, they're no different from players in any other game.


actions speak louder than words and people can be very different than they appear on voice chat.

quite a few serial killers and rapists are known for being pleasant to talk to.


You are failing to separate fantasy from reality in this case.

You make a valid point, good Sir or Madam. 
Dave stark
#77 - 2014-05-20 15:21:25 UTC
Priestess Lin wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Priestess Lin wrote:
CCP must figure it will cost them more money than they are losing by choosing not to police scamming. Maybe they are right, but it certainly makes their game ugly.

source that scamming costs ccp money. otherwise we'll have to declare that you're full of ****.

also, being able to scam in eve is something other games don't have and that uniqueness makes eve very attractive.


It likely costs them money because people hear about that crap like that and don't even want to give EVE a chance besides being an overall disgusting thing to see in chat constantly. What kind of game company is so lazy that they don't even police scamming in their game?

Is scamming and sociopathic behavior supposed to be part of the appeal? Lol

See my OP about how this game attracts degenerates.


fun fact: when the first corp theft happened after a short while player numbers were up not down despite people stamping feet and threatening to quit. underhand activities in eve are good for the game's overall health, the game markets itself on that stuff.

you haven't got a clue what you're talking about.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#78 - 2014-05-20 15:21:53 UTC
Priestess Lin wrote:
You might think that is part of the game, but its not. It is simply being an a-hole because you can. As with everything, it is only a matter of time before this dumb mechanic gets changed.
CCP disagree, to the extent that the official wiki covers it as a profession. Source : https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Ninja_Looting#As_a_Profession

On scams CCP have this to say
Quote:
Scams

A scam is what happens when someone takes advantage of your misplaced trust, temporary confusion or ignorance of game rules, and robs you via legal in-game means. When this occurs, there is nothing the Support Team can do for you. Although low and despicable, scams do not violate any game mechanics and can not be compensated for by the GMs, nor can the scammers generally be punished for their actions.
Source : http://community.eveonline.com/support/knowledge-base/article.aspx?articleId=27

TL;DR what you're complaining about is totally legit as far as CCP are concerned, don't like it? Tough.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Priestess Lin
Darkfall Corp
#79 - 2014-05-20 15:22:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Priestess Lin
Tippia wrote:
Priestess Lin wrote:


Darkfall doesn't condone scamming however
Neither does EVE.



Is there any way I can put this in my sig so its shame can be immortalized?

Thank you Tippia for your words of wisderp. Lol

When discussing weaknesses of heavy drones vs fast frigates: baltec1- " A thanatos with a flight of geckos killed a bomber gang while AFK. So yea, they track frigates just fine." https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4678049#post4678049
Gaellia Bonaventure
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#80 - 2014-05-20 15:26:31 UTC
There's not going to be enough popcorn to last out this thread.

Bring your possibles.