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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#41 - 2014-05-20 14:38:06 UTC
Priestess Lin wrote:


its not the rules as it is poor game design that CCP isn't willing to make the effort to fix untill more people complain about it.


Out of 50,000 active at peak time

How many would you say need to complain before they change the game for you?

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#42 - 2014-05-20 14:39:27 UTC
ImYourMom wrote:

How do you know they dont? have you visited them? do you live with them? where is your evidence on your conclusion?


Srsly?

You are engaging Tippia with a standard "How do you know the Big Bang happened if you werent there?" type defense?

***** pls

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Dave Stark
#43 - 2014-05-20 14:39:45 UTC
Priestess Lin wrote:
I suggest CCP give a kick to the face of the sociopaths with a patch that removes their ability to loot other players required mission items.

Finally cracking down on scamming would also be nice. It really adds nothing to your game but contempt for it. Who really cares about the degenerates that make your game ugly? Or will it cost you too much money to police it?

people like you are what's wrong with the eve community.
Solete Fonulique
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#44 - 2014-05-20 14:41:47 UTC
Priestess Lin wrote:
Tippia wrote:
…just trying to make a (dis)honest living in the game and you're playing the game in accordance with the rules, same as the guy you “stole” from.




its not the rules as it is poor game design that CCP isn't willing to make the effort to fix untill more people complain about it. And apparently they think it will cost them more money to allow scamming than to police it. CCP, as we know, is a very greedy company.

needless to say, it is really ridiculous to think everything in a game like this is as it should be.

If it costs them more money to allow scamming, why would they not police it if they're so greedy? I don't see how either one affects income much, if people get scammed, they might buy plex which is money for CCP, if they don't then they'll keep players that would have ended up being scammed and lose the scammers (and there's a lot, lots of money for CCP), they might even lose some players that we're going to get scammed because the person might have stuck around to build back up and then found a nice corp and stayed around for a few more months or years where they might've gotten bored from never finding a good group.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#45 - 2014-05-20 14:42:43 UTC
Priestess Lin wrote:
its not the rules as it is poor game design
Well… you know, aside from it being in accordance with explicitly described rules. And how is it poor game design that you have to protect your valuables?

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And apparently they think it will cost them more money to allow scamming than to police it.
Why should they police it?

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needless to say, it is really ridiculous to think everything in a game like this is as it should be.
That's true. It is, for instance, a bit more punishing to steal things — or maybe just too easy to protect things, the end result is much the same — than it should be.

They should probably look into coming down harder on the kind of unstable people who keep exploding in huge outbursts of mass abuse and violent threats over a loss in a game. Normally, that's something your parents wean you off of before you reach the age of 10, and it's not a behaviour that should be as common as it unfortunately is. I suppose it's partly the fault of the players, though — their tolerance of these pathologies is what lets them survive rather than be weeded out.
Priestess Lin
Darkfall Corp
#46 - 2014-05-20 14:43:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Priestess Lin
Tippia wrote:
Priestess Lin wrote:
Darkfall doesn't condone scamming however
Neither does EVE.



Quoting for hilarity.

Tippia, do you actually believe all that nonsensical crap that you type? Lol

Who can take you seriously when you have your own personal definitions for everything?

You need to get a life and stop throwing your worthless 2 cents in every thread. You do not have the ability for rational thought and do not belong in forum discussions.

When discussing weaknesses of heavy drones vs fast frigates: baltec1- " A thanatos with a flight of geckos killed a bomber gang while AFK. So yea, they track frigates just fine." https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4678049#post4678049
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#47 - 2014-05-20 14:46:56 UTC
Priestess Lin wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Priestess Lin wrote:
Darkfall doesn't condone scamming however
Neither does EVE.



Quoting for hilarity.

Tippia, do you actually believe all that nonsensical crap that you type? Lol


The above is the equivalent of ganking a shuttle with failfit raven

You wanna go for more difficult questions there, Lin?

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#48 - 2014-05-20 14:48:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Priestess Lin wrote:
Quoting for hilarity.

Tippia, do you actually believe all that nonsensical crap that you type? Lol
Permission is not approval. But I agree, it's quite hilarious that you think the two are the same.

EVE “condones” scamming the same way poker condones bluffing. In other words, not at all. It offers no normative valuation of a legal move.
ImYourMom
Retribution Holdings Corp
Retribution.
#49 - 2014-05-20 14:48:48 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
ImYourMom wrote:

How do you know they dont? have you visited them? do you live with them? where is your evidence on your conclusion?


Srsly?

You are engaging Tippia with a standard "How do you know the Big Bang happened if you werent there?" type defense?

***** pls


yes i am. well done for pointing out the obvious,
Solete Fonulique
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#50 - 2014-05-20 14:49:09 UTC
Priestess Lin wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Priestess Lin wrote:
Darkfall doesn't condone scamming however
Neither does EVE.



Quoting for hilarity.

Tippia, do you actually believe all that nonsensical crap that you type? Lol

Who can take you seriously when you have your own ridiculous definitions for everything?

I don't think he's wrong since EVE is just a program. It doesn't accept it but it doesn't prevent it either (Margin Trading, the skill that some scammers use has legitimate uses)

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Dave Stark
#51 - 2014-05-20 14:49:16 UTC
Pix Severus wrote:
Priestess Lin wrote:
Pix Severus wrote:
Priestess Lin wrote:
Pix Severus wrote:
I've killed people in EVE, therefore I must be a murderer in real life.


This ridiculous comparison again. Roll

Killing someones virtual character in a video game, you aren't really killing them. When you steal people required mission items with the sole intent to cause them anguish, or scam them in a video game, you are really griefing and scamming them.

Think before you post.


I've scammed people in EVE, therefore I must be a scammer in real life.


That is clearly just another ridiculous and nonsensical statement. You probably aren't smart enough to scam IRL but you likely would if you could.

Haven't you embarrassed yourself enough in this thread?


Nice personal attack there.

You break the rules of the EVE Online Forums, therefore you must be a rule breaker in real life.

i don't think criminals should be playing eve. he should be banned.
Kristalll
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#52 - 2014-05-20 14:49:51 UTC
Priestess Lin wrote:
Lykouleon wrote:
Obligatory "Hello Kitty Online is that way -----> "


Hey, I'm no stranger to a "hardcore" ruleset.

I used to play Darkfall, a full loot open world pvp game with no safety zones. You actually have to have good aim and utilize terrain in that game, and account for projectile flight times. Its about 10x more skill demanding than EVE.

Darkfall doesn't condone scamming however and doesn't give sociopaths an outlet within protection, such as high-sec.

try again.


Apparently it's not full loot and has safety zones if there is no scamming. Matching wits is still pvp.

“Die trying” is the proudest human thing.
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#53 - 2014-05-20 14:50:57 UTC
Priestess Lin wrote:

Haven't you embarrassed yourself enough in this thread?


Not nearly as much as you've embarrassed yourself by creating it.
Priestess Lin
Darkfall Corp
#54 - 2014-05-20 14:52:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Priestess Lin
Tippia wrote:


EVE “condones” scamming the same way poker condones bluffing. In other words, not at all. It offers no normative valuation of a legal move.


Lol

I have to admit its pretty funny to watch you do all those heavy mental gymnastics. Sorry though, you are still wrong.

When discussing weaknesses of heavy drones vs fast frigates: baltec1- " A thanatos with a flight of geckos killed a bomber gang while AFK. So yea, they track frigates just fine." https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4678049#post4678049
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#55 - 2014-05-20 14:53:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Priestess Lin wrote:
Lets face the facts. EVE is a great game but it also attracts the most pathetic of degenerates via its low-risk, low-cost, low-skill ceiling "pvp" where aggressors have all the advantages, and its condonation of scamming.
Wat™

Low risk, low cost & low skill? Do you actually play Eve, or pay your sub so that you can troll the forums?

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The mentality of many EVE players towards others is one of disrespect often sadistic.
That's strange, most of the Eve players I've met, both ingame and IRL are some of the friendliest people I know. Many will quite happily share tales over a drink even if they're bitter enemies within the game. The ones that carry their grudges over into the real world are not the people shooting you in the face or stealing your stuff, they're the carebears who want Eve to become like every other MMO.

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It is no surprise that this has carried over into the real world:

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/462205/legal-action-underway-as-eve-monument-is-vandalised/
The topic was discussed to death immediately following fanfest (date on the article is 6 May, that's 2 weeks ago), and most of the people you deem to be degenerates were shocked and dismayed that an Eve player would do such a thing. Did you really need to start yet another topic about it?

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I suggest CCP give a kick to the face of the sociopaths with a patch that removes their ability to loot other players required mission items.

Finally cracking down on scamming would also be nice. It really adds nothing to your game but contempt for it. Who really cares about the degenerates that make your game ugly? Or will it cost you too much money to police it?
Ninja looting and scamming are legitimate playstyles, the latter relies entirely on the mark being both dumb and greedy.

You really seem to have a problem with both Eve and the people who play it, why do you bother playing?

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Solete Fonulique
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#56 - 2014-05-20 14:53:58 UTC
Kristalll wrote:
Priestess Lin wrote:
Lykouleon wrote:
Obligatory "Hello Kitty Online is that way -----> "


Hey, I'm no stranger to a "hardcore" ruleset.

I used to play Darkfall, a full loot open world pvp game with no safety zones. You actually have to have good aim and utilize terrain in that game, and account for projectile flight times. Its about 10x more skill demanding than EVE.

Darkfall doesn't condone scamming however and doesn't give sociopaths an outlet within protection, such as high-sec.

try again.


Apparently it's not full loot and has safety zones if there is no scamming. Matching wits is still pvp.

Eve has safety zones, being docked is one and I'm not sure about looting but so are the starter systems.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#57 - 2014-05-20 14:54:35 UTC
Priestess Lin wrote:
I have to admit its pretty funny to watch you do all those heavy mental gymnastics.

Not as funny as watching you having no idea what words mean.

Or as funny as watching you think that basic linguistic ability equates to heavy mental gymnastics.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#58 - 2014-05-20 14:55:22 UTC
This is going to be another troll horde. I wonder if any swords will turn up.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#59 - 2014-05-20 14:58:56 UTC
In my opinion...


Sorry for interruption but I saw a guy outside so I had to run downstairs to stab him in the eye.

What?

He didn't wear anything blue and he was picking stuff from cans in front of my building!

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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#60 - 2014-05-20 15:02:08 UTC
ImYourMom wrote:

yes i am. well done for pointing out the obvious,


The obvious being its a terrible reply, quiaff?

Also here is your spare comma back ",".

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann