Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Adding K-C4 and C4-K dynamics would add consistency. Someone living in C4 space would be better qualified to answer, but I know the suggestion of dual W-space statics for C4 have people arguing for and against. I doubt they would dislike the chance for direct K-space from their homes.

I disagree with the idea that adding k space exits/entrances to C4's would be an improvement. Right now their character is that of deep space which never links directly to kspace. It feels more empty and removed than it is and part of the isolation is likely that because their are no direct kspace doors scouts will often select other legs of the chain to explore rather than paths that lead through c4s.

Adding outgoing wspace wandering holes however would be nice way to give them a bit more connectivity without changing the deep space feel.

C6's do have k162 from Low and Nullsec.

Getting direct K-space connections to C4's will be a dramatic change. This will introduce something that's not existed before and will probably not have a good response from those who live in C4's today.

I almost lived in a C4 before, and it was intriguing.. tho missing the K-space possibility back then was a bit of a drawback.
Today I would like like the fact that there's no direct k-space intrusion.
Things about W-Space that's been the way they are for so long as W-Space have existed should be changed carefully!

Consistency is not really an argument here anyway since we are talking about w-space, which is supposed to be weird and unpredictable. It should be as inconsistent as possible.

Look at Staticmapper: If you know how one system in a region is, you know them all (except for a few regions where you also have to look at the constellation). Every system should be different. Make every system a combination of class, effects, statics and possible dynamics that is not tied to region and thus unpredictable until someone actually finds that system and spends time there.

learn to see which ones are most likely wh's and which are exploration sites. Go back a few pages in this thread and you will find some good tips

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4611304#post4611304 this post especially

Yeah, you're right, sorry. It's been five years ago since I designed all that stuff, I don't remember the details any more :P In my defense, I'd have checked it if I was actually designing something rather than just coming up with an off-the-cuff example :)



This is a reasonable argument; I don't find it knock-down compelling but it shuffles me back towards the "leave C4 alone" side of things.



Should be less than one wormhole a system on average, total. We're not going crazy here :)

That's nice but I never thought of WHs as a normal game mechanic. To me (and most people I know) they are these crazy, weird, unpredictable things to be explored and puzzled by. Simplification of some mechanics makes sense, but I thought wormholes held that special place which fueled awe, wonder and sense of exploration. I'm actually surprised to the extent that players have been able to break them down.

I'm not saying your suggestion is bad. I'm just saying as someone who doesn't actually live in one I like the unpredictable factor the wormholes provide. To me it's that scary place I venture into once in a while.

My corp used to live in a C4. It was and still is the worst place we've lived.

It was a combination of lack of k-space and all C4 sites have long range spawns (for some odd reason) that drove us out.

However I personally liked how C4s were unique in that they are the only system that don't have k-spaces. It made you actually go out and find k-space, instead of just sitting around waiting for one to come to you.

Adding k-space to C4s will basically make them C3s with different combat sites.

What we really need are more variations between the classes than just different sites.

I remember when our corp tried to siege a C4 static C1. Since it was before T3 battlecruisers, it was a huge challenge and immensely fun to try and accomplish as we had to build battleships in that C4. The whole reason in fact that that corp lived there was because of the tactical advantage of the C4 never getting k-space. They would always fight on wh-wh connection and most of those connections being to its static C1.

This kind of emergent gameplay is something that I love whs for. They found a tactical advantage in a system we considered worthless, and we found enjoyment in overcoming that tactical advantage. If they could have gotten a k-space right in, there wouldn't have been a point for them to move into that C4 and we would have never attacked them.

Basically I describe the different wh classes to people as C1s being for research/reaction towers, C3s are for solo players, C5s are where wh corps should go, C6s are where the wh pvp corps go and you can ignore C2s and C4s as being redundent. But if you happen to find a C4, it has the cool thing with never getting k-space.

tbh, WH connections have become way too predictable and calculatable.

First point:
You should completely remove "static" WHs and make it random what kind of WH spawns next and where it leads. The only fix value should be, that there is at least 1 WH probable at all times. But what kind of WH that is should be unknown until you have found it.

Of course, the different type of connections should have different chances to spawn, so that connections from C6 to Highsec are extremely rare, but C6 to C6 or C6 to C5 are spawning quite often. The more different the class is, the lower the chance to spawn.

Second point:
Make it so, that the WH connection from the WH to the K162 is established on spawn, not on warpin. That means, the connection is open and findable from both sides at all times. This prevents people from collapsing their exits and intentionally isolating their carebear heaven when farming. I never understood why a WH "waits" for someone to warp in, before opening its connection. It neither makes sense nor is it good for the game at all because it allows players to effectively turtle-in for quite some time and grind ISK in an untouchable system (as long as no one finds a random-WH just into that one system, which can take a looooong time).

Make this little change and endure the rain of tears that will come and you have all the connections and traffic and unintentional hostile meetings in W-Space you want, so there is no need to add additional connections any more. Also you have automatically made C6 to "deepest" W-Space and C1 closest to K-Space, as it would be logical.

Phone interface made a mess of post, please ignore.