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Dev Blog: Alliance Logos & You - Clarification on submissions

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RDevz
State War Academy
Caldari State
#281 - 2014-04-27 11:47:29 UTC
Khanh'rhh wrote:
CCP Falcon wrote:
Ortho Loess wrote:
I don't really understand what CCP legal are trying to do here.


I can't speak for CCP legal of course, as they'll have to communicate with you directly.

I've released news today that's put alliance logo submission on hold until we get the issues resolved however.

I'm sorry I can't give more information right now, but there's literally no further info I can give you guys, as the issue out of my hands.


"Yo Playerzzz,

If you submit a logo, you are granting CCP a worldwide, irrevocable license to use it in any format both present and future conceived. But we totes don't actually own the logo, that would be silly and unnecessary.

Lorra love,

CCP legal"

Please give me a big cheque for sorting this out for you.


You need the words "non-exclusive" and "royalty-free" in there. Other than that, that works, and this was suggested over two months ago on page 2 of this thread.

~
JSSix
Lowlife.
Snuffed Out
#282 - 2014-05-06 07:15:57 UTC
I'd still like to know how CCP managed to decide to hold all logos that are currently being processed (already submitted).

I mean can they not just process this logos like they used to while they develop the new submission process. Only thing they have to do is close the submission process and halt any possible new logos being submitted while they clean up the queue and process those through the old system.

Besides the fact that once they implement their changes it will affect all logos, etc.

bit unfair when some ppl already waited for months prior to the whole Alliance Logo fiasco thing then suddenly they're being told that their logo are put on hold
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#283 - 2014-05-13 06:50:41 UTC
Three months later, this bullshit is still unresolved.
Absolutely ridiculous.
This misunderstanding (i.e. everything your lawyers told you) should have been cleared up in a matter of days.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#284 - 2014-05-20 08:58:58 UTC
Another week of silence, on top of the previous three months.

Either they are deliberately doing nothing in hopes of making us forget their idiotic policies - which simply aren't legal in a number of countries - or the lawyers are taking CCP for a ride. Imagine 3 months of lawyer bills over something so simple, and which has had a known solution for decades and which is widely employed by countless other similar companies.
Ortho Loess
Escalated.
OnlyFleets.
#285 - 2014-05-20 10:46:11 UTC
Now the topic seems to not be sticky anymore.

Anyone going try and pretend CCP's plan isn't to hope everyone will forget this, so that they can just push the same crap later, but more quietly?

The EULA states that all legal disputes must happen in Iceland, under Icelandic law. Maybe the American lawyers, who appear to have no understanding at all of any non-US law are a bad idea...

On the bright side, since Falcon quoted from my last post, I have confirmation that it has been received. No response has been made to the points it contains, either on or outside the forum. Therefore I consider the legal question of the VOLT name and logo ownership to be completely resolved in our favour.

We do remain happy to grant CCP any non-exclusive licence that may be required (subject to it not being a complete **** take this time)

-Ortho
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#286 - 2014-05-20 18:29:50 UTC
Hey CCP. We're still here, waiting on your answer. We're going to keep bugging you until you give us one. Of course whether we stop or not depends entirely on the nature of your answer.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
JSSix
Lowlife.
Snuffed Out
#287 - 2014-05-21 09:16:34 UTC
like i said... the least ccp can do is clear the queue (all pending logos that already went to the 2nd stage(artistis))

then try to get a solution whatever that may be
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#288 - 2014-05-24 21:42:22 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Hey CCP. We're still here, waiting on your answer. We're going to keep bugging you until you give us one. Of course whether we stop or not depends entirely on the nature of your answer.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
David Laurentson
Laurentson INC
#289 - 2014-05-26 22:07:00 UTC
Ortho Loess wrote:
Now the topic seems to not be sticky anymore.

Anyone going try and pretend CCP's plan isn't to hope everyone will forget this, so that they can just push the same crap later, but more quietly?

The EULA states that all legal disputes must happen in Iceland, under Icelandic law. Maybe the American lawyers, who appear to have no understanding at all of any non-US law are a bad idea...

On the bright side, since Falcon quoted from my last post, I have confirmation that it has been received. No response has been made to the points it contains, either on or outside the forum. Therefore I consider the legal question of the VOLT name and logo ownership to be completely resolved in our favour.

We do remain happy to grant CCP any non-exclusive licence that may be required (subject to it not being a complete **** take this time)

-Ortho


Well, at least some good has come of this!
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#290 - 2014-05-29 12:24:47 UTC
Whats the bet that this thread eventually quietly gets locked without any updates or resolutions.

Extremely poor show, ccp
Arkady Romanov
Whole Squid
#291 - 2014-05-30 04:07:26 UTC
I think it would be an excellent idea to re-sticky this thread because we still haven't gotten an answer, and I'm sure CCP doesn't want to be seen as a company who might try to sweep it under the rug and hope we just forget about it.

Whole Squid: Get Inked.
Neliel Oderschvank
CRY.NET
Nihilists Social Club
#292 - 2014-05-31 05:15:19 UTC
Arkady Romanov wrote:
I think it would be an excellent idea to re-sticky this thread because we still haven't gotten an answer, and I'm sure CCP doesn't want to be seen as a company who might try to sweep it under the rug and hope we just forget about it.



i have the feeling some does....
Enaris Kerle
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#293 - 2014-06-02 06:37:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Enaris Kerle
CCP Falcon wrote:
I can't speak for CCP legal of course, as they'll have to communicate with you directly.

Is there any reason to believe they will at any point in time? Because right now, it looks more like you decided to take your toys (the logo submission program) and go home.

Why? Originally your reason for changing the rules were to make it possible for players to use alliance logos on merchandise. And now that your proposed changes meet legal concerns, instead of keeping the old rules in place, which I assume have at some point in time been cleared with CCP legal, you completely shutter alliance logo submissions? What kind of knee-jerk reaction is this?

I'd like to, again, point out the date of the original post in this thread: February 13. Three and a half months have passed since then, and more than a month since your last post. Maybe you should go to your legal department and ask them what you're even paying them for.

Gallente born and raised, and tutored as a pleasure slave and courtesan to the exotic tastes of the Amarri court. Jade's career veered violently off course when a diplomatic envoy's transport was blown to pieces in mysterious circumstances and she was rescued from the escape pods by the enigmatic genetic mastermind Athule Snanm.
RDevz
State War Academy
Caldari State
#294 - 2014-06-03 17:36:25 UTC
I love how the sheer number of sticky threads in this forum that noone has posted in in literally forever has pushed this thread, in which we're still awaiting answers to questions posed nearly four months ago, off the front page.

Well played, CCP, well played.

~
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#295 - 2014-06-11 10:56:02 UTC
The lawyers fees must be building up if they're still working on this.

Not a great time to be incurring such costs, eh ccp?

Maybe you could, you know, just quickly use the standard agreements everyone else uses?
Alexander Thorsen
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#296 - 2014-06-16 12:53:24 UTC
Something that's not been brought up. I don't suppose it's occurred to CCP that an alliance or corp might not want their IP used in public when they have no creative control over how it's portrayed? Because, to use the CFC example, under US IP and copyright law, the CFC has the legal right to sue the absolute **** out of CCP if they feel their brand has been unfairly maligned or grossly mischaracterized.

Also, given previous statements by long time players of how CCP's modus operandi is to go silent and do it anyway in a quiet manner at a later date, think real hard about whether you want to do that, CCP. I'm not sure how civil IP/CC law and wire fraud (or a similar internet fraud law) correlate, if they do in the US, but maybe it's best not to dance with the devil.
Lehtizslutty
Hurts like Hel.
#297 - 2014-06-24 22:11:01 UTC
bump, awaiting ccp response or any form of update
Ortho Loess
Escalated.
OnlyFleets.
#298 - 2014-06-27 10:07:23 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:
I can't speak for CCP legal of course, as they'll have to communicate with you directly.


Just to make it clear: CCP legal have not communicated with us directly since this was posted.

What do you pay them for?

-Ortho
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#299 - 2014-06-30 06:24:51 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Hey CCP. We're still here, waiting on your answer. We're going to keep bugging you until you give us one. Of course whether we stop or not depends entirely on the nature of your answer.


It's been over two months since you put alliance logo submissions on hold. I think an update is warranted, don't you?

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#300 - 2014-06-30 06:29:57 UTC
Not to mention it's been about four and a half months since this abomination of a thread was created.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)