EVE New Citizens Q&A

Its not so much that you cant be found, its rather a question of raising the level of inconvenience to the war decer in attacking you. Moving ships, neut reps/scouts, etc . . . long distances back and forth across the map is a pain in the ass. Depending upon how dedicated the war decers are, it may be enough to convince them to go for a softer target.

That being said - you cant count on sitting in a system happily mining away waiting for that flashy red to show up in local. For instance, they can get a neut to come into system and bump you, making it impossible for you to align and warp off, giving them plenty of time to get into system and tackle you. So all in all mining while under war dec is not the best idea unless you acting as bait for some sort of trap. If you hell bent on mining, just dodge the war dec. Temporarily quit your corp and mine in an npc and wait out the dec. You can also play on an alt while staying online and docked, or even better - stay cloaked and undocked in system at a safe - both are guaranteed to cause maximum war decer frustration. If you blue ball the war decer (dont feed them kills) - most likely they will move on to easier targets at the end of the dec.

How to mine during war time:

1. Wait for summer expansion and barge buffs.
2. Fit skiffs with tank.
3. Blow up any flashies that come into range.

I can't believe I forgot about this point. This is vital. You of course need neutral prospects as scouts in surrounding systems, and battle ventures as tackle for all pilots that can't fly the skiffs.

I've never had much luck staying aligned to a *** while mining, but then I've been driving an Orca lately.

Consequently, what I have to suggest takes a little time to set up.

I have max 'wingspan' for an Orca, but can't remember what that is, or log on to find out. (Just came out of hibernation.)

Step 1. Someone scouts belts to find the optimal spot for the Orca.
Step 2. Orca jumps to that point and aligns to ***.
Step 3. Miners warp to Orca and align to ***.
Step 4. Adjustments may be necessary.
Step 5. Mine.
Step 6 Orca watches for threats in local. What else does the pilot have to do?
Step 7. IMMEDIATELY after the Orca or someone else spots a red, the Orca FWs to the ***.
Step 8. Anyone who misses the FW needs to warp to the Orca ASAP.
Step 9. If the Red doesn't leave system immediately, which is unlikely, individual miners warp to station and dock immediately.
Step 10. Orca is First In, Last out. When all the chicks are back in the coop. Orca docks.

Time is critical. When a miner reaches the ***, they need to start aligning to the station immediately and flit as soon as they are aligned.

If there is no station in system, things are slightly different. In this case the scout needs to mark at least 4 WOPs. Naturally, the all of the miners and the Orca need the bookmarks for all of the WOPs. In this case it doesn't matter which one they are aligned to while mining.

If a Red shows up in system everyone warps out immediately to the *** they are aligned to. As soon as they get there, they need to start aligning to another one. Warp as soon as aligned.

Theoretically, this makes it difficult for the Reds to get a fix on the WOPs, if people stay focused.

If the Reds burn one of the WOPs someone needs to make a decision. Either everyone rushes a gate, or everyone disconns, if that is still an option.

BTW, in my opinion, the optimal position for the Orca in a mining belt is a point as far as possible from the center of the belt but which is optimal range for the miners. Miinng drones really complicate this so I don't support them during War Decs.

I just noticed that the acronym I use for Warp Out Point, is not politically correct.

All that a wardec does is it turns hisec into lowsec as far as you and your War Targets are concerned. So you can act accordingly:

• Tank your ship as if the system you are in is dangerous. Think ventures, procurers, skiffs only. These ships won't have the yield (arguably) or ore hold of retrievers or mackinaws. Alternately, you can fly very cheap fits with suboptimal yield with little to no worry of getting blapped (since you can easily replace the ship and modules).


• Don't let a WT kill bring you down. Make sure you have multiple ships fitted at multiple stations so you can rock and roll if your mining gets interrupted.


• Always watch Local. Add the WT corps to your standing as bad or awful and these will immediately be indicated in your local list. Separate your Local window from all your other chats and make it tall and always visible. Here's how I set it up. Once you are mining in a system make sure you select (Ctrl+A) all the names in Local. Watch it every time it blinks - this means somebody new has entered the system. The name that is *unselected* is the newcomer. Look at their corp, their sec status. Look them up on zkillboard to see what kind of kills they have. Any suspicious and you dock up. Obviously if WTs show up, then dock up. No exceptions.


• Never mine in top belt (this is up to some debate what it is, but avoid the belt on top of the alphabetical list in Overview). The way a single attacker without a scout can spot you without Combat Probes (a waste for blapping miners) is by narrowing their dscan angle and pointing it from belt to belt.


• Use dscan as your tool. Look for ships going in and out of the system. Be familiar with the entries on dscan that stay constant in the system. Learn to ignore ships like haulers or explorers. Always use dscan in conjunction with an Overview setting that ignores things like stations and structures. The dscan overview won't be the same as your mining or combat or warpout Overview settings so you will constantly need to mouse back and forth between dscan window and Overview, so put these two windows close together (see my screenshot). Don't be fooled by ship names in dscan. People change ship names on the fly to throw dscanners off. Learn to track ship types and patterns of ship movement in a system.


• Always be in motion. If mining, you want to be aligned to your warpout and moving towards here. Here is an Eve Uni writeup about how to accomplish this: http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Mining#Bookmarks


• Don't be greedy if you leave immediately. Don't try to scoop your drones or finish mining the rock. Just warp right now. Always be aware of larger asteroids in a field. If one is in the way, your ship will get caught in it and you will be dead.


• If you get killed, always be gracious and polite in Local. Don't lose your calm. Don't give your WTs the satisfaction. Many of them may even share with you what they believe you did wrong.


• There are plenty of other tactics, like using alts, using ECM drones instead of Hobs for rats - tank your mining ship so that rats can't dent it. Let me know if you have any more questions.

What are "locators" and "running locates" and the "locates channel?"

Is this networks of people cooperating to provide intel?

Do they do it for fun or is it quid pro quo?

Or is it something else?

If you are wanting to stay safe during a war the best thing you can do is pay attention.

If you do as players suggest and hold alignment to something (Stations are good) and notice the red scary man pop in local its quite easy to zip away before he finds your belt and location.

Mining in a less populated system will make it easier to notice those names in local.


If you haven't already, I use the "compact member list" option to reduce the size of names in local channel, it can be found under the chat tabs as the three men symbol as a tickbox.

Thanks!

Yes, E-Uni certainly does an excellent job but I think there would be several advantages to a 'PVP-training mechanic'. I posted a reply in the F&I thread if you're interested.

I don't think highsec corps focused on industry/PVE should be afraid of wardecs and go out of their way to avoid them; I think they should take the time to learn how to effectively deal with them, since it's not very hard unless you have someone like Kane on your tail.

The Orca. along with the Rorqual, are next in line to be 'rebalanced' and this will be happening relatively soon. There was much moaning in the F&I board about the new hull rigs making freighters 'OP' hence the changes to hull rigs negative aspect and nerfing of freighter EHP etc. Therefore you should expect the same thing to happen to the Orca. Also as the Orca has module slots whereas the freighter does not do not be surprised to find the Orca gets an even greater percentage reduction in EHP. This will result in choices having to be made regarding EHP, cargo etc and the current rough max EHP of 335K EHP will remain but with a significant hit to cargohold capacity.

The Rorqual will be a different matter though as CCP wish it to be able to be deployed in-belt so it will get significant additional defence capability.

Yes, this may be true in many cases, but there's no good reason for indy/mining corps to not learn the basics.

If you plan on undocking from time to time, learning basic PVP survival is easy and a very smart thing to do.

On a scale of zero (no clue) to 100 (excellent and passionate PVPer with several years of experience), knowing how to not get your ship blown up in highsec would be well under 5 in terms of effort. Sure, if you don't really enjoy PVP there's no reason at all to learn the rest.

Several posters in this thread provided excellent and easy to follow advice that would give people a very good chance of pulling off the hardest possible thing to do under a wardec (mining). Anybody would agree that other typical indy activities, such as hauling, are trivial to do safely.

Many good members of the EVE community have chosen to not engage in spaceship PVP - that's perfectly fine. But nobody really enjoys staying docked, depending on others or abbandoning their Corp. And I bet even the most peaceful industrialist would enjoy 'cheerfully giving the finger' to a war target gatecamp he just flew by in his blockade runner.

Anybody is free to play as they prefer, but 'learn to survive - it really isn't that hard' is much better advice than 'stay docked or leave corp', imo.