Player Features and Ideas Discussion

CCP occasionally publishes stats on these things. Ewar frigates consistently end up at the very bottom of the list. The “commonly ganked” ships tend to end up at the top. And yet, the (far) more rarely used ships are being killed in far higher numbers than the much more commonly used gank targets.

No, it means that freighters are destroyed more often. It tells us nothing about their other qualities. As it happens, though, what we were interested in is how common it is for a ship to be destroyed — specifically in a suicide gank. 16 in a day (of which at most half even qualify as suicide ganks) is a pathetically low number compared to how common the ships in question are.

He said "least used ship types", not "functionally nonexistent".

I have never once, in all the time I have played this game seen a deep space transport in open space. Pretty sure the Ishukone Scorpion sees more flight time than that entire class of ships.

Given that DST are flying bricks of armour it shouldnt be all that shocking they dont get killed much.

Simple fact is that freighter ganking is a very rare event and even the rarely used e-war frigs see more losses. Anyone who says freighters are getting killed in great numbers is simply lying.

Incorrect.

They're not tanking mods so why would you make that comparison?

Yes it is, because you're confusing method with result.

Let's look at the Phoenix for simplicity's sake. If we give it 5× RB2, it gains 480k EHP. That's obviously a pathetically small increase at an insanely wasteful cost. If we instead give it 1× DCII, it gains 448k — almost as much — for a fraction of that cost. If we try to give a proper buffer tank (a couple of Invulns and a suitcase), we've doubled the tank for less than the bulkheads' cost (and this is before we even taken things like repping and siege mode into consideration).

We, intelligently enough, don't use buffer modules because none exist on an XL-size level. I mean, yes, your basic answer is correct: the bulkhead isn't balanced in the sense that they don't stack up well to the other modules on this ship. The intent of your answer is wrong: the bulkheads are vastly underpowered compared to the other tanking options available.

Giving the bulkheads a 0/0 fitting cost would make them far more balanced (but still a horribly bad option for this ship).

This is true.
I assume my freighter won't die in high sec. It long ago payed back the cost of purchase.
With the new rigs i will add cargo and warp speed.
One day it will get ganked and i will buy a new one.
We were warned by people in this thread that rigs would mean a nerf. I listened and believed them.
I will eat the nerf and make it work for me by lowering the time i spend hauling.
I will continue to listen to the people that called this nerf as they clearly know what thay are talking about.

I haven't really seen Fozzie post about why their initial implementation of these changes was as bad of a nerf as it is. It seems like they:

1. Decided to add rigs to JFs because they are removing special cases
2. Decided to balance so that with 2 T2 rigs, JFs would only be able to just slightly beat their current stats
3. Failed to notice that this was a fairly large nerf -- either a significant nerf to align time or cargo, as well as a large up-front cost increase
4. Justified that nerf after the fact by saying to themselves, "well, JFs are really good right now, they could use a little bit of a nerf anyway"

If the design team actually wants to nerf JFs -- which it is not my sense that they set out to do with these changes -- they should do it in the right way. I'm an expert on the subject! I can provide some suggestions that would be real nerfs without making an unfun part of the game even shittier -- as the align time change in particular does.

Since initially announced that base m3 capacity was not going to change, this is a shocker.

Since its totally confirmed that PvP is all this team cares about enough is enough. Add three accounts to the tally of closing accounts

Can I have your stuff?

Not a beg, more of an inquiry.

I mean, if your conviction against the freighter changes is that strong, nothing less than biomassing your characters after cancelling your subscription will do.

So why let those assets go to waste?