Out of Pod Experience

So not only did they put too much ketchup and mustard on your burger... They put it in the wrong spot! This is horrible! What did you do? I would call my congressman to report this abuse of a food item!

Well I stick to my opinion regarding over-regulation of farming, over taxation, market manipulation, there are a lot of factors which drive farmers out of traditional food production. It's a manufactured solution to a manufactured problem.

But regarding your mention of pesticides, GMO's are failing in that, horribly. And with the latent pesticides left behind in the soils, genetically modified organisms let loose into the environment (remember what I said about the new world and it's transformation), super weeds, and the killing off of the bee populations, well if there were ever really intelligent life on mars I would imagine they went out the same way. imo, on this course, we are headed to a massive famine the likes of which we have never seen before.

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And this is a good point to make about long-term testing, or the lack thereof and it's failure in doing so. In the beginning, yes it had great benefit, seemingly, but the long-term results are shifting to it being a far worse solution, even devastating. But all we hear is how it was in the beginning, then we forgot to check on it's long-term impact after introducing into the ecosystem, so it's still a rosy picture to most, yet while it fails.

In all honesty (not that it has been anything less), I think this is one of those issues where it's best to step back and take a good hard look at how the situation stands from a unbiased perspective, or try to as unbiased as possible over some time to research the subject. Mostly because this isn't a fixed result never to change, not like buying a gadget and tossing it out when something better comes along. If it breaks the system, we may not be able to just toss it out and replace it with another system as we are used to doing in our daily lives. And the long term impact, and how things progress and change over time, imo is apparent be it even in the slightest, it's hard to deny that at all, but even to the greater and the further trend towards a collapse. Yes, they make a lot of promises with what can be done with the science, but that doesn't guarantee success.

And for me, I'm far from any type of greenpeace environmentalist, not even Sierra club or some such. I do believe that we should conquer our environment, to bring it into submission, to use it to our benefit, yet do see to it that it isn't simply destroyed but preserved for it's function.

I like the optimisim, but conquer the environment? The agenda should be to learn to live harmoniously with the environment, capitalize where is it reasonable and to leave well enough alone where we should leave well enough alone where we should. Any agenda other than that makes us 'pure' paraqsites, and we all know what an unnsecusessful parasite do to there hosts

We make everything :-)

Which is amusing... in that many farms use fertilizer made of human waste
You know what they say, you are what you eat, and farms are pretty much eating people poop and we are eating that food made of people poop. So when you eat your next Big Mac, just remember that lol

That's a perfect descriptor for the taste. That's also how it feels in my stomach.


We stop using pesticides and eat the weeds. That would make for an interesting movie I think--in 2075 Earth horticulture has reached a cataclysm and all food crops are either extinct or nearing extinction. Humans must learn to consume only the most hardy plants, and they aren't edible without special processing. Watch as our hero subsists on a diet consisting primarily of Scotch Broom and Ivy.

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"Because nothing says "finish your carrot sticks" like a psychotic stare from the side of a box."

Oh, just from using an absolute against my goofy footnote opinion. Wasn't offended, it's just opinion vs. opinion. I'm sure we have more common ground than I have with most others outside these forums.Yeah well this is a high risk fire region, so we don't get many controlled burns. They will use that tactic sometimes during a fire, but not often, considered more extreme measures. So we rely more on manpower getting in there and clearing fuel before a fire happens.

But even that has become very difficult to do due to environmental regulation. Even on local private property, due to some species of rat, people cant clear their own small homestead property, and people have lost their homes due to wild fires out here, primarily in those designated areas. They have even turned to doing the "just let it burn" thing to appease environmentalists, but that has severely backfired imo. That makes people not evacuate and choose to try to fight the fires themselves, which can be very dangerous to human life.

I could agree with you, but where I live, everything is upside down. We have too many extremists. So I'm all for clearing, cleaning, drilling and digging, while the other side of the fence does what it does. But at least I can seem to agree with them in regards to GMO's, but it is something more so just brought to their attention and really doesn't effect their agenda but to maybe further their other goals by proxy.

I don't even like heavy regulation, I would prefer fast food joints choose to do the right thing or lose business if not doing the right thing. Unfortunately, the problem with GMO's is not a well studied issue among my fellow countrymen as of yet, and is only now starting to emerge on the debate scene, and through legal awareness by the lawsuits being raised. Maybe if more people took it serious enough they would look into the problems and make their own judgements, then if correct, urge those that produce and/or distributing GMO's to change their ways.

Well I mean through cross-pollination primarily. Then they have to contend with increasing amounts of pesticide and herbicide drift. Then additionally the weeds which seem to be becoming more resistant through the heavy use of herbicides. Non-GMO farmers have been given the green light to raise lawsuits over the matter, which is something that caused the USDA to reopen it's study which it had previously closed concerning co-existence between GMO and non-GMO crops.

Yeah, where it gets to the legal process, it gets confusing. Monsanto suing some farmers, other farmer suing Monsanto, others suing the EPA, then international courts all in an uproar, world leaders making threats, it's all a mess.