Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Like... a Covert Ops cloak...?

I agree completely that the Nestor should be able to rock a covert ops cloak, but that still isn't enough for me to want to spend 1.5B ISK on one.

I think you need to take rebalance in steps.

Fist thing is raise awareness by answering the following.

What the heck is a Nestor?

Why would I want to fly a Nestor?

Then you can get to the root of the problem and ask the following...

How to balance it for that role?


un-fortunately the Nestor is still stuck on the first question ;)

This. I don't think a cov-ops cloak on the Nestor would do much for its usefulness, with its current design.

Yes, but what can be done about its current design to make it useful while still having any semblance of balance?

While a covert ops cloak would go a long way towards making this an excellent exploration craft, the Nestor still falls short in light of its 1.5 billion ISK price tag.

The first two SoE ships had a "Wow" factor to them and their utility was immediately apparent. Even the look of the Nestor falls short of what the first two had.

I like that it has the remote repair bonuses, these are useful for long range exploration groups but, again, utility in that role falls short. After bonuses, the remote armor repairer's range is only about 18km and the ship doesn't have the fitting to run them effectively.

If anything, I'd say move the Nestor to an exploration support role. Put the remote repairers out to 30 km, bonus some tractor beams and salvagers (salvage drone bonus?). In exchange, drop the data/relic bonuses, cut the drone bay but increase cargo or even add a fleet hangar. The cruiser and frigate have the data/relic bonuses plus the speed to cover the distances to the sites. Let the Nestor hang back in a support role.

Finally, give it some sort of unique, really cool exploration tool. I keep going back to the idea of an exploration related bastion or triage mode (probably because I could get a carrier or marauder for the same price or less). Not sure exactly what that would be though. And/or let it fit new exploration related fleet assistance links.

Something...ANYTHING to justify the cost.

The justification for a Covert Ops cloak on the Nestor can be summed up in one argument: it has such horrid maneuverability and is so abysmally slow that even a Covert Ops cloak probably won't help it 95% of the time. It just means that when it finally does lumber into warp it gains a temporary reprieve...

I still say, focus on the Exploration Support Ship as its purpose. Get rid of the hacking bonus and maybe even the scanning bonus. Instead add a fleet hangar of some 1-2k, a maintenance bay for 2 frigates and a role bonus that removes the targeting and resolution penalties of a cloaking device.

Now it can serve as a home away from home, a maintenance and refitting platform for the exploration fleet and it has enough firepower to be of use in a exploration site among the main group.

I would fly a shield version of nestor but because CCP are armor lovers we probably aren't getting one.
No I don't mean rattlesnake, I mean shield logi version of it.

Ok here is a suggestion.
1. Allow the nestor to be invisible on D scan while warping. note NOT a covert ops cloak.
2. Allow the nestor to reduce mass by 90% or multiply its mass by ten fold.
3. Increase agility and reduce time to enter warp in line with the mass change.
4. Drop all the "interesting" bonuses and allow it to be fit as a decent pirate battleship.with slots, PG, and Cpu to work.

That will be a reasonable ship to use in wormholes, not amazing or overpowered, just useful and a good tool for all WH cOrps.