Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I didn't mention them, you and others did as a false equivalency to what I was fighting for. I was responding to what you posted which is not the same as mentioning them.

No I didn't.

Think of it like the Clinton scandal.

How do you define the word sex? His view was that oral was not "sex". IE there was no insertion into something that could make children.

I didn't mention orca because there was no need to bring them up. Someone else mentioned them and I responded to their comments. Once you mention something it can be re-mentioned.

we've been through this; you did.

as much as it's amusing to watch you say you didn't even though the post has been quoted and linked several times, it's getting boring listening to you drowning in denial.

it's not meant to be "where it is right now" that's the point of the change. the idea is you pick 1 attribute, and make it better at the cost of the others.

if freighters were to be rigged to "where it is right now" it would totally defeat the point of the change.

A freighter right now is pretty much safe if he have between 1b and 2b of goods in his cargohold. Cargohold expander decrease armor hp, does it make the freigther fragile enough to be a target even with only 1b to 2b of goods in his cargohold (assuming he have freighter at IV and rigs at IV)?

1st off I own multiple JF and Freighters and I never asked for any rigs or any changes at all. I only made posts where I was happy they were adding rigs..but that was before Saturdays massive nerf post. I take it all back.

I think we need to realize (and God help us agree) the JF and Freighter really have different roles.

And the JF is T2. But as many pointed out..those I think also fly them..cargo is king on them. I was trained on and owned Gal Freighters but switched to Rhea just to get a little bit extra cargo on my Jump Trips. Fuel is expensive (4 cynos 100 mil fuel cost round trip atm before changes) and every little bit helps.

So I am against any cargo nerf at all. if they want to add rigs fine..but cough cough the goons guy's idea is better. 3 low slots. but I still think a JF should get M and H because it its T2 after all. And if you keep its capacity and let the slots or rigs add to it..then it deserves its price tag. Other wise the cost to make it should be in line with the reduction in base cargo capacity. They have modified the build cost of caps before based on changes..this should be no different.

The fact is JF's were fine. More capacity is always nice..but fine. I still want 500k capacity with T2 rigs. I see no harm in that gameplay wise. God forbid I spend a few less hours hauling and a few more hours on fun stuff.

Changing normal freighters I totally like if I can get more tank and such. but again I like the slots also.

What you don't all get is that anything added to a freighter doesn't need to be balanced with a nerf. It's NOT A COMBAT SHIP. It doesn't effect game play. If I need to move 5 Mil m3's around in Null. More or less capacity wont change anything. Its station to station jumps, dock in 5 secs. Just more or less time. High sec is a whole different ball game. Believe it or not, there is no ganking in Null. Its kill or be killed. You are safe or you aren't. there is no in between. Will he kill me? Hell yes he will kill you. Ha!

High Sec's want options to offset the increased DPS of ships that has made freighters so vulnerable the last couple years. And with Isk inflation hauling 1 bil is hardly practical....well to avoid gank you would need to haul no more then the cost of a gank. If a 50% drop rate no more then 2x the cost of a gank. If that is 300mil..then 600mil. That isn't crap to a hauler (edit by that I mean the hauler needs to haul way more then 600 mil of cargo usually). They should cost at least as much to gank as the value of the ship. So their reward is picking one with decent cargo.

64 pages, and 61 of those from just three toons

Just a quick observation (as I note freighter prices are already falling) where highsec main freighters are involved - I plan to actually purchase a second freighter post patch. One I will trimark up, the other will be max cargo space. When its quiet and I need to move a high volume / low cost load I will use the cargo rigged freighter - when its busy or I need to move a high value load I will use the trimarked freighter.

Just mentioning it as you are not just tied to having a single freighter you know - plus those that speculate might want to watch the prices of freighters post patch as I am sure I won't be the only one who buys a couple extra to fit specific roles.

Appreciate jump freighters are a totally different ball game - think I'll be mothballing mine and concentrating on local 00 production, which I think is the intended idea

Why shouldn't we be able to get to the same point we are now?

I don't think it's unreasonable to expect to rig the ship to hit roughly the same attributes. On a charon, there's a few options:

-50% cargo for +35% EHP (what's the point?)
-15% cargo for +5% EHP (just makes cargo services more expensive all around)
+6% cargo for -7% EHP (even easier to gank)
+16% cargo for -7% EHP (super expensive)

Maybe if all of this came with a signficant reduction in the build costs of freighters it'd make more sense, but it feels like a nearly across-the-board nerf to me.

Basically, 600k becomes the new red frog cargo limit instead of 812k, me

meaning hisec just got 33% more expensive to pay others to haul stuff

What about jump drive rigs that increase range or efficiency?