Player Features and Ideas Discussion

The fact that you feel the need to hide behind a faceless alt tells me all I need to know about you.

If you are not confident enough in your own opinions that you feel you need to hide behind a faceless alt then why should I or anybody else consider them?

I have several accounts engaged in several, wildly different game areas. Posting with one convenient and obviously alt avatar is useful and prevents judgements on matters such as talking about PvP on an industry character, for example. I can little be bothered switching to a character whose background fits the topic at hand. Thus it's nothing to do with my own confidence, it is simply easier to accept and state up front it is an alt and an obvious one (the name was chosen for a reason) and that an employment history or killboard "judgement" isn't going to tell you much so better to judge the post on its own merit.

You shouldn't prejudge people's post content based on their corp tag. You see, I'm a believer in judging posts by their merit and content and not by who posted them or what corporation they do, or do not belong to. This is why you'll never catch me with the "grrr goons" or anything of the sort. Don't judge the avatar, just the post.


Again, this is written on the "remove trolling and the problem here is gone", standpoint.

Irrespective, you still prejudge and you really shouldn't.

I believe we see a good reason why Goonswarm wants to make this change, and why this change should not be made:


This person is identified as a "Renter", and thus the implicit threat is made.

Effectively, this change would turn the largest and most powerful organizations in the game into a mafia of sorts. "You agree with what we say, right? It would be a shame for something to happen to all your nice stuff."

If you can't post your true thoughts and feelings without threat of harassment or otherwise, then you are being censored. It's surprising that a large, forum-originated group would be keen to encourage censorship. Or does "tolerance" really mean "agreeing that I am right" ?


The first useful post in this thread.

Some sort of account-wide "karma" might be useful. This way, as posters on an account accumulate negative karma, they lose forum posting permissions for increasingly longer periods of time. If the ISDs continually edited or deleted my posts, for example, at some point I should automatically lose forum posting permissions for a time without having to involve CCP GMs. If I keep that up, each forum ban would be longer and longer, until eventually I lose permission altogether. On ANY character from that account, new or old. You can sell all the characters you want, the bad karma stays with the account.

Over time, the karma slowly returns to normal as you make worthwhile posts that are not removed and that the community feels are worthwhile. Though some limit needs to be put in place, so your closest 10,000 friends can't rocket you back up to angelic karma ratings with a single post.

This would solve the issue with the throwaway NPC alt troll poster, this would solve the issue with the untouchable non-NPC troll poster, and would actually be useful. This removes the so-called ":effort: wall" that the OP likes to spew about, and enacts real, meaningful consequences to posting garbage on the forums.

Then, forum posting would have forum consequences and those consequences would be equal for all, not just the largest entities in the game who can enforce their will at any time they desire.

"abloobloobloo I was scammed/awoxed by an alt why can't I retaliate against their main"

This is literally your argument, goons. Alts are an integral game component in-game as well as on the forums.

Karma is not a good thing as it is very open to abuse.

You can not go grrrr goons and then ask for karma lol.

Maybe you want to take a look at moderation and metamoderation as implemented on slashdot.org site. Probably is not perfect but seems to be working so far.

Well, I didn't say to use slash engine. :) But just take a look how moderation there works. Maybe it's not something which could be implanted here but maybe there will be an idea or two worth stealing. Though probably even then it would mean major rework of EVE forum.

(For the record, I wouldn't say no to nested, thread-like comments)

Detracting how? Or in another words, please show me on the doll where hisec miner has touched you.

You also seem to have trouble to decide whether you want to force someone or to encourage. As far as I know they are mutually exclusive.

I actually considered this in my previously reply, but like ISD LackOfFaith mentioned, it's easily to manipulate if you have 10,000 monkeys at your disposal. In fact, that would be even better for the large blocs than what they're asking for now.

EVE is just too small and too polarized of a community for something like that to work, and many of the game features and mechanics just aren't designed with the idea that a HUGE group of people would band together and work to game the system, unfortunately. :-/