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Player Owned Customs Offices: Math, Markets and Design Problems

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Largo Coronet
Perkone
Caldari State
#221 - 2011-12-03 07:16:48 UTC
We can't even get our pilots to stop jumping through hostile gates. Mass market manips are a bit of a stretch.

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Mynas Atoch
Eternity INC.
Goonswarm Federation
#222 - 2011-12-03 07:54:56 UTC
Largo Coronet wrote:
We can't even get our pilots to stop jumping through hostile gates. Mass market manips are a bit of a stretch.
Me thinks the goon doth protest too much.

I can exclusively reveal that this plan to set empire COs to 17% and set GOON POCOs TO ONLY 15% was conceived at the 2007 BOB barbecue before MC infiltrated GOONs and PL and placed our lackeys in control of the CSM, CCP, team BFF and yay even unto this forum itself.

I love it when a plan comes together.

Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association
#223 - 2011-12-03 08:29:18 UTC
Sorry, I have a hard time swallowing the idea that you are all that stupid not to work together. Either goonswarm has really gone down the toilet since my last dealings with you, in the war on BoB, or you guys are full of ****.
Vashan Tar
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#224 - 2011-12-03 09:52:24 UTC
haha, anytime anyone tries to undercut in goonspace that **** gets relisted by Theta within 10 minutes....
FastJack316
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#225 - 2011-12-03 10:32:33 UTC  |  Edited by: FastJack316
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:
Sorry, I have a hard time swallowing the idea that you are all that stupid not to work together. Either goonswarm has really gone down the toilet since my last dealings with you, in the war on BoB, or you guys are full of ****.


It's spectacularly obvious that you never had dealings with goons, if you don't know what fuckgoons prices are.

Given the existence of public killboards claiming that you were involved in the war with BoB is a very silly claim to make.

But please, keep telling us how things really work in 0.0
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#226 - 2011-12-03 11:48:39 UTC
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:
When it stands in the way of him making even most isk then he could off you, yes, I find it baffling. Unless it's either a big lie or they're trying hard ot not look like crooks.

You have gotten the memo that we're literally throwing isk at our members, yes? Even to the point where our members are being paid to shoot pubbies in mining ships in gallente space?

Cygnet Lythanea wrote:
Zim, this is just based off my little tours in goon held space, but my estimate is that you could consistently undersell the market by 5% and still make a killing.

And how far down do you think it'll have to go before the rest of the market can't keep up?

Cygnet Lythanea wrote:
That is of course, assuming that this is a plan, and not all a happy coincidence that goonswarms leaders are too dense to realize. Given their success over time, somehow I doubt that they're that blind to the long term possibility.

You know how they say, if you assume, you make an ass out of you and me?

You just did.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
bilingi
Grandeur Illusions
#227 - 2011-12-03 12:11:01 UTC
you where already an ass... so it shouldnt have hurt
Joshua Aivoras
Tech IV Industries
#228 - 2011-12-03 12:22:43 UTC
Hmm....seeing where this thread has gone, I'm thinking POCO's are flawless and now working as intended?

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Mynas Atoch
Eternity INC.
Goonswarm Federation
#229 - 2011-12-03 13:22:58 UTC
Joshua Aivoras wrote:
Hmm....seeing where this thread has gone, I'm thinking POCO's are flawless and now working as intended?

If by flawless you mean cause grief, tears, rage and endless conflict and amusement, then, by George I think she's got it!
pmchem
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#230 - 2011-12-03 16:49:41 UTC
Judging by Jita prices, there are no problems at all with this change. PI products are still available and reasonably priced. People are fighting over POCOs. Highsec had an isk sink go up in size.

Looks pretty good so far.

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Ellin Einher
Griffin Capsuleers
Ad-Astra
#231 - 2011-12-03 18:03:09 UTC
pmchem wrote:
Judging by Jita prices, there are no problems at all with this change. PI products are still available and reasonably priced. People are fighting over POCOs. Highsec had an isk sink go up in size.

Looks pretty good so far.


Now we just need the nullsec isk sink, namely taxing moon goo.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#232 - 2011-12-03 18:09:44 UTC
You mean things like SOV costs?

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Ellin Einher
Griffin Capsuleers
Ad-Astra
#233 - 2011-12-03 18:11:56 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
You mean things like SOV costs?


Sov costs are nothing compared to the tech income :)
Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association
#234 - 2011-12-03 19:35:02 UTC
FastJack316 wrote:
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Given the existence of public killboards claiming that you were involved in the war with BoB is a very silly claim to make.


Never said I got killed. You do realize that there are more ways to be involved in an operation then just pew pew, right? I mean, someone has to bring the extra ammo and supplies out to you.

IIRC the guys that contacted me ordered Tech II drones, missiles, and autocannon ammo. Lots of all of the above. 400m, paid in cash, half up front, half on delivery.

And, as was my policy at the time, was happy to deliver to whatever war-zone was needed.

BTW: if you believe killboards, I have a deed to Jita 4-4 you might be interested in. For the life of me I don't remember that carrier kill with black sun, and I know I lost more ships to loot and STK then are listed in any of the kill boards, i still have records for the insurance payouts.

As far as goons prices to one another, it would explain why they were willing to pay 20% on top of market gladly, I admit.

I still don't buy that you're that dumb. Be sneering and dismissive all you like, but I know what I see and I know what I've done, and I don't particularly give a **** if you believe me or not, my point still stands.

Goons stand to make a ton off this. I don't see any other alliance posting on any thread on this subject on this board but you.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#235 - 2011-12-03 19:40:59 UTC
Actually, come to think of it, nothing like SOV costs, because that's just a pure ISK sink. I suppose what'll happen, if CCP wants to tax moongoo, is they'll make MI, a replica of PI, only for moons.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
pmchem
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#236 - 2011-12-03 21:22:02 UTC
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:

I don't see any other alliance posting on any thread on this subject on this board but you.


It's because it is our posting that gives us our strength.

By the way all the POCO activity and market prices post-patch are proving me right so far.

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The Mittani
State War Academy
Caldari State
#237 - 2011-12-03 22:09:13 UTC
Cygnet nicely confirms my assumption that, to put up with the sheer tedium and awfulness of PI, you have to be a raging sperg who dates spreadsheets.

~hi~
Ellin Einher
Griffin Capsuleers
Ad-Astra
#238 - 2011-12-04 00:16:09 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Actually, come to think of it, nothing like SOV costs, because that's just a pure ISK sink. I suppose what'll happen, if CCP wants to tax moongoo, is they'll make MI, a replica of PI, only for moons.


My friend, I like that idea, Moon interaction, it's way better than the super passive, moon mining which only works to fuel big alliances and leave aside smaller ones.
Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association
#239 - 2011-12-04 09:57:45 UTC
The Mittani wrote:
Cygnet nicely confirms my assumption that, to put up with the sheer tedium and awfulness of PI, you have to be a raging sperg who dates spreadsheets.


Better that then a corrupt bastard that uses any position, and I do mean any position, he assumes to screw people because he can't get it up.

See, here's the thing Mitt, even if you win here, even if you dominate EvE, what's that get you in the end? King of the Scrap yard? Lord of the Wasteland?

'Our ships run on the tears of others'. Yeah, but in the end, people will stop being your victims, one way or another. And then what, Mitt? What happens when these jokers realize they've been taken for a ride all this time by someone who's really a very small person, no matter how hard he pretends otherwise.

Eventually, Mitt, all these guys and gals posting for you, all these 'loyal goons' are going to realize you're nothing but a leech. A parasite on both their fun and their game.

Goon ships run on tears Mitt. One day they'll run on yours.
pmchem
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#240 - 2011-12-04 16:50:07 UTC
Cygnet is so mad at these changes and his loss of the posting war that he continues his bitter attempt to get the thread locked for off-topic trolling. Dude needs a forum temp ban.


In other news, people are realizing that the world has NOT ended and PI is still something they can do, so forum opposition from anyone not named Cygnet has fallen to a trickle. The tax changes are good and POCOs are flying off the shelves. Expansion success.

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