Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Honestly CAOD is not exactly the epitome of good posting for anything but CAOD. I may be missing something there, but looking at it seems like more of what we already have. The only difference being that such is expected in CAOD. CAOD also has the benefit of being nothing more than ego stroking and propaganda by nature. There literally isn't much to ruin. If you were to take those same posts and apply them to actual discussions regarding the development of the game they would be pure noise.

The problem this creates is the incomparable nature of that forum and others and as such makes it a poor comparison point to justify this change.

So the defining point of contribution is being in a player corp even though that does nothing more than one allows it to when it comes to being subject to a wardec? So they can do exactly the same thing and somehow not be detracting? What does detracting even mean? How is the game demonstrably worse off than what it would be if I weren't here?

The only thing prevented from being in NPC corp is a wardec. Nothing else. As such there is no reason to believe a highsec centric person who wants to remain there would suddenly decide not to do so just because they were forced into a corp because their previous residence became unplayable.

There is still no reason to defend against a war dec and forcing people into player corps doesn't change that, which is why most player corps don't fight them and just dodge. Fighting a fight you don't want doesn't make sense and isn't a smart thing to do.

You also need to consider topics which are moved by the mods - often these dont start in the wrong section, the simply evolve. Bit crappy if people create a topic but it is moved and they can no longer comment on their topic.

Also, I'm still unclear - if we say trolling ceased to exist tomorrow - what purpose does this serve? I can only see more harm than good.

From the top of my head an in no order:

People can no longer ask about nefarious activities clandestinely.
People can no longer discuss expensive fits openly
People can't ask about areas of the game unpalatable to their corp
It creates a far bigger advantage than today to those with multiple accounts to play the forum metagame over those with fewer accounts.

There will be more I've not thought of yet. but basically there are a lot of good, legitimate reasons to be able to post and remain separated from your main.

Again, please remember that this is assuming trolling can be excised.

Avoiding war decs and PvP is also player generated content, just not the kind you like.


You're right about the butterfly effect though, if NPC corps disappeared within a month you'd be looking at hundreds of millions for a cruiser because all the miners would be dead.

I've said it before and I'll say it again - NPC corps don't "encourage" risk aversity, it's ingrained in the player. It's also in all areas of space. The amount of people in low/null who wont engage with a hotdrop backup or overwhelming odds is significant. Let's not pretend that the only risk averse people sit in high sec.

However, this has very little to do with the topic at hand and is more a generic "death to NPC corps because they play a way I dont like", which is well and good but probably better for its own topic.


Edit: Also people drop corp in war decs because they don't want to fight/can't fight those odds but they wish to keep playing the game as opposed to sitting in a hanger. Forcing them to do what they don't find fun will lead to bad things.

It generates zero player content as it stop players from interacting with each other. Yes I like when players interact with each and destroy each other ships, omfg I am such a evil person !!!!




Why would hundreds of miners be dead? Are you saying that these people are incapable of defending themselves?

Also so what if prices went up. That would just mean those who are able to work together and defend themselves would make more isk. Those who refuse to work together would fall by the way side. I see no problem with any of this.

Once upon a time there used to be corps that you could hire to take on those who war dec your corp. Those corps are virtually none existent as there is no need for them.

With these kind of changes it would bring them back as there would be a need for them again.

See the problem with people like you is that you are so risk adverse, you are so used to running and away and hiding that you are incapable of thinking outside the box. You are incapable of seeing that there is other options then just running away.



You can keep saying over and over again but it does not make it any more true. NPC Corps foster risk adverse players. They encourage players not to participate with other players. They encourage the mind set of "Run Away and hide"

I am sorry if I believe that people getting together and working together is in part what makes Eve special and puts it apart from other MMO's.

I am sorry if I believe that giving people a reason to fight, to work together, to seek out allies is a good thing instead of giving them the easy option to sit in a faceless NPC Corp all by themselves and not doing anything to promote player driven content.

Restrict posting to characters in training as a starting point.

You wanna post, you pay for it

The ISD stated that its 10+ active accounts to post in CAOD so its more like a 10+ man corporation which is a significant :effort: wall.

If you feel a post was moved without reason then petition I know my posts have been deleted before without warrant by ISDs attempting to clean a trainwreck thread and they were restored by CCP Eterne/Falcon so this is less of an issue than you make of it. Everyone involved is a human, mistakes will happen and they aren't slow correcting them.

Those have always been risks that can be minimized by thinking carefully about how you word the post and observing other people's mistakes. If you advertise you want to fly a 20b isk mission boat you go on my list to awox/gank. I'll give you an example of how to do this:

Thread title: L4 RNI fit.

~:words: I want to fit a good T2 raven for L4s :words:~

~fit~

Several posts later: "I was bored so I thought about this stupidly expensive fit."

You get to discuss whatever expensive fit you want without much suspicion. It really isn't hard to do it just takes a little thinking and persuasion. Its a good way to separate the more skilled players from the less skilled players as well.

This would be hilarious or if they could fine accounts isk for violations.

Some data/relic sites and mining. Well, we'll trade rocks with each other on the market. I'll give you 5 veldspars, you'll return 1 bistot etc. Charisma implants' prices would be topped, I believe