EVE General Discussion

Having just read all that, yes please do use formatting rather than replying using a single paragraph. It's incredibly difficult to read and digest, and it looks like a single breathless rant which is really hard to take seriously, even if the argument has merit.

This high-sec vs null-sec botting argument has been going on for years. Before the CFC almost every dominant entity in the game has been accused, some of which is propaganda, some of which has been confirmed by various people. I can't wait for someone to accuse New Order of using bumping bots :P Quite rightly the members deny these accusations, but the more insidious forms of null-sec RMT/botting are done by leadership. What I don't get is why anyone in Empire would try to defend highsec botters - it's not as though these players are a cohesive entity with any ties of loyalty - you literally don't know each other because you've chosen to engage in solo play.

I've been in various nullsec alliances and half of them had senior members who privately admitted to using or having used various bots in the past. Some were caught, some not - those caught were part of mass bans targeting a specific bot as far as I'm aware. For those of you posting who have never been in a nullsec alliance, be aware the majority of players despise botters and this still holds true in null. If people spot corpies or alliance mates doing it in the first instance they typically kill the player and in the second kick up a massive stink at leadership level until the player or corp is removed, and dramas like this are hard to contain so a few get leaked by spies. Even if certain alliances systematically turn a blind eye to botting, they can't force their players to do the same, which is one of the reasons anyone with a brain will do it in highsec where they can maintain a degree of anonymity.

You can argue in circles about where the best ISK ph is, but the simple fact is ISK generation in Empire is safer than null due to Concord, the number of stations, the ability to blend in amongst a sea of solo players who behave exactly like bots and highsec aggression mechanics. If null members are going to do it outside of Empire the sensible place is in renter corps, not in their main alliance, and if they really want to be annoying they'll rent from the opposite side. So the numbers will always be skewed.

There have been numerous dev blogs, presentations and articles which tend to suggest it's the type of bot targetted for mass bans regardless of where they are located. If 85% of botting occurs in highsec, fairly obviously they will tend to experience the largest % of bans, but that has no bearing upon where the player is based ingame. This whole argument is pointless, and anyone buying into tinfoil theories needs to stop and consider exactly whose propaganda they are regurgitating, and whose interests it serves.

The best way to become more skillful in a task is to practice so I'm going to submit another yes/no question to you.

Does CCP have infinite resources? (yes/no)

There's no point posting on a forum if your replies are so incomprehensible people just skim invalidating your argument and the time invested. Or ours considering or typing a response. It's a basic courtesy to communicate effectively, don't be surprised if it backfires when you refuse to. It's not unreasonable for us to request minimal posting standards - and based upon your previous comments re Autism, I'm not attacking anyone who has a genuine problem barring them from effective communication (dyslexia doesn't invalidate the entire post) but obnoxious rants in poor format are an eyesore. You waste our time, quite deliberately, and it's toxic and obnoxious.

You are welcome to ramble on using lengthy, poorly formated paragraphs, but it's pointless because you'll be dismissed and your content ignored, and you waste our time, because you contribute nothing but spam and smack. I'd add, for the sake of disclosure I quite deliberately post at length because
a) only a small % can be bothered to read paragraphs, and I'd rather not engage with one sentence smartarses anyway (unless they are entertaining smartarses)
b) forum dialogue represents chat to me, so I post more or less how I would speak, as opposed to how I would for an assignment or in a professional setting. I'm reluctant (rather like you in some ways) to cave in to a style of dialogue imposed by others which encourages throw away remarks and nastiness
c) If people skim my posts consistently, quite like RL if I decide occasionally to be very direct and kick their feet out with no warning, they aren't prepared
d) I can bury forum misdemeanours in an avalanche of words >.>
e) I quite enjoy comprehensively slapping people with one-three posts rather than arguing over 50 pages
f) I don't care what the people who respond negatively think anyway. They are almost invariably thick and not worth arguing with. If I was going to derive some satisfaction from winning an argument, I'd pick a juicy target, then maim them, and terrorise at length not dance about waving my genitalia


CCP should fight bots wherever they perceive it to be effective, without reference to the factionalisation, propaganda, and blatant pettiness of the playerbase. Your opinion about how botting should be dealt with is irrelevant, as is mine on this. If you subscribe, you are invested, and botting affects you wherever you are regardless of affiliation.

No.

And like I said, it's okay to be confused La Nariz. You did an amazing job of finding the information without getting too upset that time. You still seem a little upset, but hopefully we can work on that more. You're doing great, keep up the good work.

Carry on blatantly smacking like that whilst adding nothing to the discussion.
Tip: if you smack, don't be an amateur, and don't get caught with your pants down

That is literally what you have been saying for several pages so no, I am not putting words in your mouth. Why don't you come back to the thread when you actually have at least a basic idea of what you're talking about.

I quoted it earlier so feel free to scroll up afew posts. Now, if you were capable of sustaining your conversation without loading it full of ad hominem attacks & using strawman arguments...

So according to you these two images provided by the people that are responsible for CCP's anti-botting efforts which show that most botting occurred in highsec are a lie? (yes/no)

http://imgur.com/Z6G1lEJ

http://imgur.com/YFO8nY5

From Evidence to Bans:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CZR9w3ftjY

Now that we've established those two images and the CCP fanfest presentation are not lies and are legitimate sources.

Did most botting occur in highsec according to the 2014 fanfest presentation? (yes/no)