Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I'm seeing some good feedback about the unique role of Jump Freighters meaning that they don't get much benefit from rigs other than cargo rigs, and this is indeed a problem that limits player choice. I'm going to bring up a few ways to help solve that issue with the other designers early next week.

This literally happens every day in Niarja and/or Uedama.

Getting a group together, I can imagine is challenging and requires organizational skills

I dont ever think anyone assumed choice would come without a cost, I think most imagined that with the introduction of rigs we would have the opportunity to marginally increase cargo and tank ./ or speed, OR massively improve cargo OR tank. Please note the or. The main issue that is created with the current proposed set of changes is that there really isn't a middle ground. If i want to be able to move and ihub or 2 sov upgrades there is more or less only 1 way for me to really rig a freighter, that is hardly choice.

Coming into this thread I fully expected and embraced that there would be at least a marginal nerf in base hauling capacity to both the JF and Freightor, but the degree to which Fozzie nerfed them is amazing. Realistically, freighters were in dire need of a buff, as someone who has been bumped around madrimille for 15 minutes there is no way one can consider the current gank meta fair or balanced. Jump freighters were more or less fine as is and realistically didn't need any change, though having them being able to move 400k m3 would have been kind of nice just because of the aforementioned sov upgrades.

Some things that i think would make this more palatable. (not necessarily all, but pick and choose)

1. Give each races frieghtor / JF a defined role, before they each had some uniqueness, I feel like you have removed some of that as most of them have very similar capacity's now, especially the jfs. It would be cool if there was a reason to spec into multiple races of freightor and each race had a reason to use it above others for certain situations. I.E. Minmatar for speed, Amarr for tank, Caldari for Capacity. This somewhat exists already but it would be nice to see these more defined. This adds some more diversity to the high level logistics play.

2. 2 rigs slots on freightors 1 on jf's, Allow for some choice but make it so we can at least use the base model without having to make the investment into capital rigs i.e. throw away ihub freighters, I really don't want to be using a 3 bil isk freighter in nullsec to get things done.

3. Some agility or warp speed increase, i'm not talking anything massive, but it is hard to resist autopiloting sometime as this is the most boring thing in the game. Your either going to live or your going to die on any given trip, there is little you can do (aside from cargo selection) that is going going to change that.

Do remember that you are already effectively nerfing JF;s with the jump fuel consumption changes, im not seeing why they need additional nerfs. Nor do I see how JF's were contributing to power creep as since empire is central, and jfs move goods from the central location empire to the war front, not matter which front your fighting on HS is usually about the same distance away for both sides. Living in Deep null, it is already pretty expensive to move out to null and back, a 50% increase in cost is going to make a big difference in cost for those of us that are 5 jumps deep.

i think there are more than 4 freighter pilots, and ccp fozzie posting in this thread.

Actually I was talking about you.

Minerals are getting less abundant.

The numbers are now corrected in the OP.