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Tackling the problem of null-sec ratting bots.

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Xavier Higdon
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#301 - 2014-05-18 00:30:34 UTC
You're really struggling with this, aren't you. The answer is in all caps, just think of it as a game of hide and seek. It's just that in this game intelligence is the one hiding, you are the one seeking, and intelligence always wins.
La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#302 - 2014-05-18 00:31:58 UTC
Xavier Higdon wrote:
You're really struggling with this, aren't you. The answer is in all caps, just think of it as a game of hide and seek. It's just that in this game intelligence is the one hiding, you are the one seeking, and intelligence always wins.


I am still waiting for your answer.

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Xavier Higdon
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#303 - 2014-05-18 00:34:55 UTC
La Nariz wrote:
Xavier Higdon wrote:
You're really struggling with this, aren't you. The answer is in all caps, just think of it as a game of hide and seek. It's just that in this game intelligence is the one hiding, you are the one seeking, and intelligence always wins.


I am still waiting for your answer.


You've gotta be kidding, I answered it twice for you. Yes, skill points, gambling losses and ship spinning are all just as significant to finding bots as the sec status of the system where a bot was detected is.
Xavier Higdon
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#304 - 2014-05-18 00:39:04 UTC
Oh, I get it, you want me to answer the question as though it is completely unrelated to the argument. Alright, no, ship spinning, SOMERblink and and SP are not the same thing as botting. So why did you need that question answered independent of the argument? It's some of your "dogwhistle" words aren't they? Let me see if I can figure it out. Ship spinning secretly means... Grr. SOMERblink secretly means... TEST. And Skill points secretly means Nanu Nanu Subaru, right?
La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#305 - 2014-05-18 01:43:51 UTC
Xavier Higdon wrote:
La Nariz wrote:
Xavier Higdon wrote:
You're really struggling with this, aren't you. The answer is in all caps, just think of it as a game of hide and seek. It's just that in this game intelligence is the one hiding, you are the one seeking, and intelligence always wins.


I am still waiting for your answer.


You've gotta be kidding, I answered it twice for you. Yes, skill points, gambling losses and ship spinning are all just as significant to finding bots as the sec status of the system where a bot was detected is.


The answers to the question are yes or no select one of those two answers. I am still awaiting your answer.

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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#306 - 2014-05-18 02:02:24 UTC
Xavier Higdon wrote:
You're really struggling with this, aren't you. The answer is in all caps, just think of it as a game of hide and seek. It's just that in this game intelligence is the one hiding, you are the one seeking, and intelligence always wins.


The answer you gave was not answering the question he asked.

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Xavier Higdon
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#307 - 2014-05-18 02:03:45 UTC
La Nariz wrote:
Xavier Higdon wrote:
La Nariz wrote:
Xavier Higdon wrote:
You're really struggling with this, aren't you. The answer is in all caps, just think of it as a game of hide and seek. It's just that in this game intelligence is the one hiding, you are the one seeking, and intelligence always wins.


I am still waiting for your answer.


You've gotta be kidding, I answered it twice for you. Yes, skill points, gambling losses and ship spinning are all just as significant to finding bots as the sec status of the system where a bot was detected is.


The answers to the question are yes or no select one of those two answers. I am still awaiting your answer.


I'm sorry, it took me awhile to realize that you weren't asking in regards to the discussion we've been having, and instead are seriously asking if they're the same thing. How foolish of me to think you actually knew what botting was, and it was presumptuous of me to assume you also knew what ship spinning, skill points and SOMERblink are. I profusely apologize for jumping to conclusions and neglecting you in your time of obvious need.

So, to answer your question: No, ship spinning, skill points and SOMERblink are not the same thing as botting.

I hope that clears it up for you. Again, I am truly sorry for being so obtuse and not recognizing that you were honestly distressed over the fact that you had no clue whether or not those were the same thing. I hope you can forgive me for not coming to your aide sooner, and that we can move on from here with the understanding that ship spinning, skill points and SOMERblink are all separate and unique things, and that they are not code words for botting or in any way to be confused with botting.

Let me restate it for you, just in case you're still confused: Botting, ship spinning, skill points and SOMERblink are all different and distinct from each other.

I hope I am not making things more difficult by typing all of these words around the answer. That seems to have confused you in the past, and I must say that your confusion and distress are not my goal. It is merely my goal to get you to understand that focusing attention on one specific part of EvE leaves the other parts of EvE not under such scrutiny vulnerable to botting(as well as other forms of abuse). I feel really bad now, though, having left you in such clear distress for so long. I apologize again, and any time you become confused please, just let me know. I will immediately do everything in my power to explain things to you again and try to get you back on track with the discussion. Let me know if this is enough to clear things up. If it's not, we might just have to stop the argument. I don't want you to become too upset.
Xavier Higdon
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#308 - 2014-05-18 02:06:25 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Xavier Higdon wrote:
You're really struggling with this, aren't you. The answer is in all caps, just think of it as a game of hide and seek. It's just that in this game intelligence is the one hiding, you are the one seeking, and intelligence always wins.


The answer you gave was not answering the question he asked.


I realized that, a little belatedly to be sure. I thought he was referring to my having compared his opinion that sec status had any bearing on how bots should be tracked to those things. I had no clue he was just confused about what each of those things were. I did my best to explain it to him, and I apologized a number of times. I only hope he can forgive me for being so crass towards him in his confusion.
Sarcasim
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#309 - 2014-05-18 03:27:05 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Let me guess, this has turned into another null versus hi-sec flame war?

I base my guess on seeing La Nariz and Kaarous having posts on the same page, all we need is Baltec 1 and we have the full set :)


It's the fault of high sec. Always.

And Baltec has made his appearance with the posts you'd expect of him. No need to look them up. You already know what they say.

Mr Epeen Cool

Yes...its always the same hi-sec hater forum trolls that fail in attempting to be obtuse in order to argue over an area of space they cant control or force others to play the way they want it to played.

Should you guys really feel that bots are not being ran by null/low-sec players then you are truly dumber than you sound or appear to be. (if that is even possible).


I can respect a good adversary but deliberate and calculated stupidity not only shows your lack of respect for the community but also does yourself a disservice.
Sarcasim
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#310 - 2014-05-18 03:35:57 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
admiral root wrote:
Sarcasim wrote:
Exactly, so why is botting not an Eve problem instead of these idiots trying to make it out as an evil hi-sec thing?


Us "idiots" are trying to make out that the vast majority of bots are in highsec. Guess what? They are. My turn - why do you need to resort to insults? Is it that difficult to comport yourself with a little class?


See above, that he's in Scope. So yeah, it is that difficult.

That is the second time you have brought up that I am in scope. Please explain with your limited resources exactly what the location of my toon has anything to do with the topic?

I dont hold it against your corp or blame your corp for you posting like an idiot. Your corp has zero bearing on your shiat posting.

I blame you not them.
Sarcasim
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#311 - 2014-05-18 03:45:59 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Let me guess, this has turned into another null versus hi-sec flame war?

I base my guess on seeing La Nariz and Kaarous having posts on the same page, all we need is Baltec 1 and we have the full set :)

lol done and done
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#312 - 2014-05-18 03:48:43 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Let me guess, this has turned into another null versus hi-sec flame war?

I base my guess on seeing La Nariz and Kaarous having posts on the same page, all we need is Baltec 1 and we have the full set :)


Sup.
La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#313 - 2014-05-18 03:58:47 UTC  |  Edited by: La Nariz
Xavier Higdon wrote:

I'm sorry, it took me awhile to realize that you weren't asking in regards to the discussion we've been having, and instead are seriously asking if they're the same thing. How foolish of me to think you actually knew what botting was, and it was presumptuous of me to assume you also knew what ship spinning, skill points and SOMERblink are. I profusely apologize for jumping to conclusions and neglecting you in your time of obvious need.

So, to answer your question: No, ship spinning, skill points and SOMERblink are not the same thing as botting.

I hope that clears it up for you. Again, I am truly sorry for being so obtuse and not recognizing that you were honestly distressed over the fact that you had no clue whether or not those were the same thing. I hope you can forgive me for not coming to your aide sooner, and that we can move on from here with the understanding that ship spinning, skill points and SOMERblink are all separate and unique things, and that they are not code words for botting or in any way to be confused with botting.

Let me restate it for you, just in case you're still confused: Botting, ship spinning, skill points and SOMERblink are all different and distinct from each other.

I hope I am not making things more difficult by typing all of these words around the answer. That seems to have confused you in the past, and I must say that your confusion and distress are not my goal. It is merely my goal to get you to understand that focusing attention on one specific part of EvE leaves the other parts of EvE not under such scrutiny vulnerable to botting(as well as other forms of abuse). I feel really bad now, though, having left you in such clear distress for so long. I apologize again, and any time you become confused please, just let me know. I will immediately do everything in my power to explain things to you again and try to get you back on track with the discussion. Let me know if this is enough to clear things up. If it's not, we might just have to stop the argument. I don't want you to become too upset.


La Nariz wrote:
Looks like its time for another yes/no question for you. Are various botting problems the same thing as SP/ship spinning/gambling losses?


Is your answer to that question yes or no? This question requires a one word response not multiple paragraphs. Follow direction.

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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#314 - 2014-05-18 04:13:28 UTC
Xavier Higdon wrote:
I realized that, a little belatedly to be sure. I thought he was referring to my having compared his opinion that sec status had any bearing on how bots should be tracked to those things.


You should try reading the question in it's entirely & thinking about it a little before you spout out a paragraph of nonsense next time.

Xavier Higdon wrote:
I had no clue he was just confused about what each of those things were. I did my best to explain it to him, and I apologized a number of times. I only hope he can forgive me for being so crass towards him in his confusion.


Did you think about your post before you started typing, or did you just smash on the keyboard in a hamfisted autistic manner before clicking the post button?

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Xavier Higdon
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#315 - 2014-05-18 13:33:14 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Did you think about your post before you started typing, or did you just smash on the keyboard in a hamfisted autistic manner before clicking the post button?


I see you most certainly did not think about your response, instead likely typing as quickly and emotionally as you possibly could. What else can explain your callous stereotyping of autistic people in a vain attempt to insult me? Next time, have a bit of class and try to refrain from being degrading towards people with special needs. I have a friend with Autism Spectrum Disorder and he neither "hamfists" a keyboard nor types in any manner which would set him apart from others. In fact, it's likely his vocabulary and typing abilities could put you to shame, if you hadn't already put yourself to shame by making your crude comment.

La Nariz wrote:
Is your answer to that question yes or no? This question requires a one word response not multiple paragraphs. Follow direction.


I see you're still upset. Again, I'm sorry. I knew I shouldn't have been so verbose, I knew it would just confuse you and upset you even more. I'm truly not trying to be so thoughtless when it comes to your reading comprehension issues. Please, do not get yourself more upset, I'll simplify it even further for you so that hopefully you might finally understand. It'll be okay, we'll get through this and once you understand we can get back to our argument. I only hope you haven't become too distressed over this. So, here goes:

No.

I hope that isn't too much for you, I truly haven't been trying to confuse you, or upset you like I have.
La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#316 - 2014-05-18 15:29:22 UTC
Xavier Higdon wrote:
No.


You're still incapable of following instructions and answering yes/no questions but, we can finally move on in discussion, stay tuned.

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Lady Areola Fappington
#317 - 2014-05-18 15:48:19 UTC
I love this thread soooo much!

Anyway, pure mathematics says the "focus" of botting efforts will be on highsec. As we're so very often reminded, Highsec makes up the vast majority of players in EVE. Assuming an overall X percentage of players botting, then statistically there'll be more bots in highsec.

Everyone knows though, botting for ISK to RMT is kids money. The real cash comes from *tinfoil* charging renters real cash transferred via PayPal.



For real though, actual "I make money doing this" RMT botters don't just set their accounts then go wander away. That stuff is more likely done by dudes in a cyber sweatshop, just so they can monitor the bots real time, and reply to GMs and such as needed.

7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided. --Eve New Player Guide
Xavier Higdon
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#318 - 2014-05-18 18:40:54 UTC
La Nariz wrote:
Xavier Higdon wrote:
No.


You're still incapable of following instructions and answering yes/no questions but, we can finally move on in discussion, stay tuned.


I'm very glad you were finally able to understand. I'm sorry that I was so insensitive to your predicament and that I didn't do more to calm you down from your agitated state. I hope that we can indeed move on, now that you understand that botting, ship spinning, skill points and SOMERblink are not all the same thing. I'm still quite unclear on how you became so confused, but that's alright if you don't want to tell me. It might be an embarrassing story, or maybe you're just uncomfortable talking about how you're easily confused by written, or in this case typed, words.

Also, I'm sorry that I didn't realize sooner that you might need me to actually post single words. It appeared to me that you had been keeping up, and that you were capable of comprehending complete sentences and even paragraphs so I didn't know that I needed to simplify my response so much. I only hope that you don't become so confused again. In order to try to prevent future confusion on your part, it would be helpful if you could answer my questions. Please feel free to reply with a single word, and to post each single word separately if you must. I don't want you to think I'm unwilling to work with you on this, because I most certainly am willing to accommodate you in any reasonable manner.

Question #1: Do you need, or want, me to simplify all of my future posts for you?

Question #2: How many words can I type in a single post before you become too confused?

Question #3: Does double spacing or the over use of paragraphs help you at all?

Now, what I really want is for you to understand that I'm not making fun of you. I'm fully willing to slow down and simplify the discussion so that you can keep up. Personally, I find reading quite easy, but I understand that you, and many others as well, I don't want you to feel like it's only you, might struggle with it. I understand that it can be very hard for some people, but I don't believe that should preclude you from being able to participate in discussions on these forums.

I just realized that I've been insensitive with this post. I've made a habit of being verbose, and now it is coming back to haunt me. If you need me to simplify this post, please just let me know and I'll do my best to cut the number of words down to however few you need.
Angelique Duchemin
Team Evil
#319 - 2014-05-18 18:49:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Angelique Duchemin
AFK ratting in null?

If one gang passed per day then not even a Dominix would pay for itself.


There are multibox ratters though.


Blue Doughnut syndrome is just about sov and structures. Nothing stops third parties from roaming as much as they like.

The very sun of heaven seemed distorted when viewed through the polarising miasma welling out from this sea-soaked perversion, and twisted menace and suspense lurked leeringly in those crazily elusive angles of carven rock where a second glance shewed concavity after the first shewed convexity.

Josef Djugashvilis
#320 - 2014-05-18 19:02:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Josef Djugashvilis
CCP tackle null sec ratting bots as with as much gusto as they do any bots anywhere they find them in the game.

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