Player Features and Ideas Discussion

No risk in ganking? Hah, I laugh at those people, when all you have to do to throw ganking out the window is a cheap t1 thrasher and just pop the wrecks as soon as they appear. Implying the loot fairy matters at all if the wreck goes pop.

Let's so some funny math though regarding ~risk~ to get ganked in a freighter based, not on cargo, but simply the risk associated with passing through choke point 0.5 systems. Every time you pass through the system there's a risk of you getting ganked.

Establishing assumptions:

To do this we have to throw out some relatively arbitrary, but well argumented numbers with regards to freighter sitings/trips throw 0.5 systems. We have: Niarja (amarr<->jita) and Uedama (Jita/Amarr<->many systems!) and Balle (Jita/Amarr<->Dodixie/Hek).

Let's say an average of 15 freighters pass through Niarja and the same value for Uedama per minute. Balle is probably a lot less, let's say 5 freighter a min.
So we have 35 freighters/min. pass throw key choke point systems with high probability of getting ganked. That accumulates to just about 1.5 million freighter trips. About 1/40,000 chance you will get ganked passing through a 0.5 system. So about ~10 times more often to get ganked than hit by lightning.
Pretty good odds I'd say myself.

based on what he posted, it's the only thing he had straight.

That made me chuckle, thanks bud.

The funniest part is that people just don't like the idea to accept the fact that after this patch they will have somewhat less than they have now. Not useless, as some trying to put it, just less. But as the time passes, it will begin to be taken for granted, and those who hadn't yet been in hauling things buisness before that fix will be happy that they are able to customize their freghters a little and competely fond with its other stats as they haven't used to current ones.

At least it's intended to serve some far-reaching nullsecs' industry rebalancing plans and probably will be accompanied by many others tweaks designed to force manufacturing all goods you can locally and import only those you are desperately need to. Its better just to stop clinging to the past and embrace a new reality, hoping its whole picture was thought out well.

If you don't know how to launder your loot with the fleet hangar in an Orca, you really shouldn't be ganking. the freighters picking up the loot are as safe as a baby in its mother womb

are you intent upon demonstrating how clueless you are, or are you going to stop posting?

either is fine, but i want to know in advance because i'd hate to miss any subsequent posts of yours.

Emphasis mine. Pretty sure that's what is really in play with so much of the complaints about ganking.

This will be my one and only counter to Tippia's obvious ******** troll derailment past-time.

Target is a freighter - zero tanking variety.
If you don't know he had friends, that makes you worse than my dog at eve, because freighter party is obvious as wood. It must be sitting on top of a freighter or they won't make it to counter gank. With those points in mind, ganking such a freighter means you are worse than my dog at eve and should quit.
Gank fleets being ganked are simply impossible, unless they hang right on a gate with a flag on them, in which case they're worse than my dog at eve. Freighters align speed allows to bring in prealigned fleet from a safespot easily.
If I have to point it out to you, there are things like freight containers you can deploy from your freighter and put stuff there with another account. Here you go, you have a freighter-load and no flag. But how could you know about it if you're worse than my dog at eve?
Loot fairy? You can't have it both ways in a single occurrence, but you WILL have it both ways in a long run. Picking on this point was more likely a trolling though, typical Tippia nonsense.

So with those answers in mind, I feel pretty confident than the only real risk in ganking is being worse than my dog at eve.

From here on I keep ignoring Tippia nonsense till forever.

Yes, I did indeed read what you posted earlier, and what I quoted in one of my previous posts:



However, first things first. I am unsure whether the forum allows direct KB links from this discussion, so you will have to look up the candidates I dug out for you: KillID: 23370943, 23370340, 23342061, 23317011 and 23261890. Please let me know if you are having difficulties using these numbers, and I will try to guide you.

These suicide ganks took place in Isanamo in the month of May 2014, and where the freighter was either completely empty, or very nearly so, to the point where there was no hope of making a profit from the gank. Additionally the pilots were all in NPC corporations, so these kills cannot be explained as being due to pilot error during live wardecs.

There were many more ganks in Isanamo in May, but the pilot was either in a player corp, or the cargo wasn't empty.

Please let me know if you are with me so far. Don't worry, we will take this in small steps, so I don't loose you along the way.

Could you explain to me how you pick up a freight package of, let's say 200.000m3 or 400.000m3 without either your Orca or your Freighter pilot going suspect?