Player Features and Ideas Discussion

It sounds like he wants more.

And still, that's an even simpler answer: because they have to keep the freighters balanced even after the bonuses that rigs will provide.

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if that is what he means then i would like to point out that the penalties on rigs are small and can further be halved by skills.

leaving the stats alone and just adding rigs slots is an absolute buff and power creep. Freighters dnt need buffs, and power creep is bad.

not that i'm aware of.

I also believe that the answer is no.

Or just prohibit DCs from being used on freighters.

The alternative, as you mentioned earlier, would be to reduce EHP by X% to compensate for the ability to mount a DC II so that freighters don't get a ridiculous tank buff. (But I really would not want to have to manually activate a DC after every jump, hence the suggestion to prohibit DCs on freighters.)

And WTF is wrong with putting warp stabs on a freighter?


Anyway, the point still stands; rigs aren't flexible enough to provide freighters with the desired level of customization based on what you're hauling at the time.

Is the overall plan with these rebalances to buff local industry and make it difficult to export to highsec and vice versa?
Usually a few paragraphs are posted in your rebalancing threads to review your reasoning, this thread seems to lack it.
Care to elaborate a bit on the reasoning? I am sure people would be a bit more understanding then when they realize it's not the goal to end up with a net buff.

That effectively means you're creating a completely separate rig class, which means you've now created more problems and balance issues through your solution. Is the creation of that problem worth it for solving your first perceived issue?

Like I said earlier in the thread, if a “solution” cascades into new problems that have to have their own special unique tweaks and solutions, chances are that it's not a good solution to begin with, especially when there's already a perfectly serviceable way out.

You have plenty of choice. The entire problem is that some people assumed all along that being given choice would itself come without a cost, but that was never going to happen — choice itself is too valuable, and the full array of choices you can make have to fit in the overall balance of the game.

This solution lets you do that. You're just unhappy with the size of the nerfs your choice leaves you with.

The ONLY people claiming I expected a net buff out of this is you and your kind. I expected them to set it up so that when you rigged and modded your freighter you could get it to exactly the same level of defense, maneuverability, capacity...etc...etc...etc as you do now. I even proposed freighter only rigs and mods to avoid unforeseeable consequences of adding rigs, lows, mids, and highs to freighters.

As i told another poster like yourself, please dont put words into my mouth I never said ("You are not getting a net buff out of this."). I know that speaking for both participants in an argument sure makes winning them easy and if people have let you get away with this cheap form of argumentation in the past I can assure you will not be repeating their mistake.

And if they did that, it would be pretty much mandatory to put DC2s on your freighter, otherwise you can get ganked by 3 Vexors.

In such a case, why change anything? To make people feel better? Psh.



If they were intended to have them, they would have lowslots. I for one, would be very happy if freighters (and especially jump freighters) were not invincible.



Pretty sure they will never give you that option to tailor your freighters so thoroughly. Few enough of them die as it is without letting you freely refit for tank 2 jumps before Uedama or Perimeter.