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Which capitals for WH PvE & PvP?
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Robert Hucel-Ge
Doomheim
#1 - 2014-05-18 07:20:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Robert Hucel-Ge
I've been considering applying to larger WH corps. After reading through the guides/ect here I've come to this conclusion:

For Dreads in PvE: Moros > Revelation > Naglfar > Phoenix
For Carriers: Archon > Thanatos > Others

For Dreads in PvP: Naglfar > Moros > Revelation > Chimera
For Carriers in PvP: ****** if I know; either Archon or Chimera would be best?



Would this be correct?
Braxus Deninard
Hard Knocks Inc.
Hard Knocks Citizens
#2 - 2014-05-18 08:07:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Braxus Deninard
For dreads both the Moros and Naglfar make up the vast majority in w-space for both PvE and PvP. The Phoenix will certainly be making some interesting appearances with the buffs out early next month.

As for carriers I would say the Archon obviously and the Nid are the two most common. Chimera's are really only used in a Pulsar - have never seen it fielded outside of one, and I've never seen a Thanatos fielded in w-space at all.
Ab'del Abu
Atlantis Ascendant
#3 - 2014-05-18 10:09:29 UTC
Robert Hucel-Ge wrote:


For Dreads in PvP: Naglfar > Moros > Revelation > Chimera

Would this be correct?


Chimera is not a Dread :)
Carazzle
The Glaive
#4 - 2014-05-18 10:29:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Carazzle
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Duke Wendo
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2014-05-18 11:05:56 UTC
Robert Hucel-Ge wrote:
I've been considering applying to larger WH corps. After reading through the guides/ect here I've come to this conclusion:

For Dreads in PvE: Moros > Revelation > Naglfar > Chimera
For Carriers: Archon > Thanatos > Others

For Dreads in PvP: Naglfar > Moros > Revelation > Chimera
For Carriers in PvP: ****** if I know; either Archon or Chimera would be best?



Would this be correct?


At the moment your pretty much correct. However consider that some w-space has effects that can greatly boost or nerf capital ships. Make sure you read up about them and consider how those would effect your ship.

Also, something else for you to consider is that when you fly in w-space, you're always doing pvp- whether you like it or not. =)
Robert Hucel-Ge
Doomheim
#6 - 2014-05-18 12:24:56 UTC
Braxus Deninard wrote:
For dreads both the Moros and Naglfar make up the vast majority in w-space for both PvE and PvP. The Phoenix will certainly be making some interesting appearances with the buffs out early next month.

As for carriers I would say the Archon obviously and the Nid are the two most common. Chimera's are really only used in a Pulsar - have never seen it fielded outside of one, and I've never seen a Thanatos fielded in w-space at all.


So a Moros would be adequate for PvP?


Ab'del Abu wrote:
Chimera is not a Dread :)


Herp. Phoenix*.


Duke Wendo wrote:

At the moment your pretty much correct. However consider that some w-space has effects that can greatly boost or nerf capital ships. Make sure you read up about them and consider how those would effect your ship.

Also, something else for you to consider is that when you fly in w-space, you're always doing pvp- whether you like it or not. =)


Yeah, hence the question. I was planning on bringing Moros + Archon pilots, wasn't sure whether it was worth investing the time in training into a Naglfar or another Dread/Carrier.
Michael1995
Lazerhawks
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#7 - 2014-05-18 12:26:22 UTC
Revelation is the best for pulsar pvp!

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Hathrul
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#8 - 2014-05-18 12:43:04 UTC
i think naglfar is the best dread for both pve and pvp currently. but moros's are still excellent.
for carriers theres the archon...then a lot of nothing, then the nid. chimera's are godlike in pulsars but not very usefull anywhere else.

no matter how good the phoenix turns out to be, the moros will remain a solid choice. if you can fly both of them reasonably well (at least all lvl 4 skills and t2 siege/triage) i wouldnt train more of them unless you dont know what else to train.
RudinV
Sons Of Mother's Friend
Can i bring my Drake...
#9 - 2014-05-18 13:08:09 UTC
dead dread is the best one for pve same with carrier o/
Rroff
Antagonistic Tendencies
#10 - 2014-05-18 13:53:02 UTC
Braxus Deninard wrote:

As for carriers I would say the Archon obviously and the Nid are the two most common. Chimera's are really only used in a Pulsar - have never seen it fielded outside of one, and I've never seen a Thanatos fielded in w-space at all.


Not sure why (and why specifically thanatos) - possibly some legacy null thing - but thanatos tend to be used space caravan/home from home style quite a few people use them in that way I've noticed.
Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
#11 - 2014-05-18 14:19:52 UTC
Ab'del Abu wrote:
Robert Hucel-Ge wrote:


For Dreads in PvP: Naglfar > Moros > Revelation > Chimera

Would this be correct?


Chimera is not a Dread :)


But he still isn't wrong.

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Angsty Teenager
Broski North
#12 - 2014-05-18 14:47:28 UTC
Without a doubt the moros is the best dread for PVE.

For PVP, right now both the moros and the nag are good. After the pheonix changes, the pheonix will be good as well in some scenarios. The rev is garbage in all scenarios.
chris elliot
Treasury Department
Plug N Play
#13 - 2014-05-18 15:09:35 UTC
Post patch the thanatos will be fun for pvp. You won't take it on the road with you. But if you aren't hurting for reps a few thousand extra dps from its fighters couldn't hurt any.
Ahost Gceo
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2014-05-18 15:38:34 UTC
Personally I have come to love the Nidhoggur over the Archon.

Better reps, better tank, better cap recharge rate, and it looks better.

The only really glaring downfall is that it does not have near the capacitor capacity that the Archon does.

CCP ignore me please, I make too much sense.
Angsty Teenager
Broski North
#15 - 2014-05-18 15:51:14 UTC
Well if you want to talk about carriers, it's a little less clear cut, but still somewhat straightfoward. Simply put, it's like this (in wormholes at least, since slowcats aren't used outside of niche scenarios).

The archon is the best if you are in a wolf-rayet
The chimera is the best if you are in a pulsar

Otherwise the nidhoggur is the best. If you absolutely need long range capital cap xfers, then the archon is the best (shield tanked).

(Yes you can shield tank the archon, try it). It's still worse than the nid, but it's not that bad
Luft Reich
No Vacancies
No Vacancies.
#16 - 2014-05-18 17:32:43 UTC
Ahost Gceo wrote:
Personally I have come to love the Nidhoggur over the Archon.

Better reps, better tank, better cap recharge rate, and it looks better.

The only really glaring downfall is that it does not have near the capacitor capacity that the Archon does.


Fit or gtfo

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Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#17 - 2014-05-18 21:57:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Jack Miton
on what planet is thanatos the second best carrier??? on no planet...

moros is best dread, archon best carrier.
it isnt particularly close either.
for shield chimera is roughly on par with archon.
nag is good for PVP, rev is good for PVE.
nid is borderline usable for both, thanatos is a pile of space junk for both.
lol phoenix.

Ahost Gceo wrote:
Personally I have come to love the Nidhoggur over the Archon.
Better reps, better tank, better cap recharge rate, and it looks better.

maybe if youre comparing officer fit nid to T1 fit archon.... >_<

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Bronya Boga
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#18 - 2014-05-19 00:43:00 UTC
Ab'del Abu wrote:
Robert Hucel-Ge wrote:


For Dreads in PvP: Naglfar > Moros > Revelation > Chimera

Would this be correct?


Chimera is not a Dread :)


Neither is the phoenix.
Dark Armata
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2014-05-19 02:43:26 UTC
Soon the phoenix will have its time in the sun.

Especially since it appears to be a phoenix circle jerk at CCP right now.

4% shield per level for the already best tanked dread. Oh they can't hit sig boosted dreads for full without a rig. Will just increase all dreads sig. They will suck vs subcaps but will be deadly to capitals, especially when sitting at 50-60km away.

Luckily their capacitor still blows. But as if we needed more incentive to stay away from pulsars, where the phoenixs short comings will be strengthened.

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Freddie Merrcury
Fukushima Daiichi Electric Power Co.
#20 - 2014-05-19 03:10:31 UTC
Dark Armata wrote:
Soon the phoenix will have its time in the sun.

Especially since it appears to be a phoenix circle jerk at CCP right now.

4% shield per level for the already best tanked dread. Oh they can't hit sig boosted dreads for full without a rig. Will just increase all dreads sig. They will suck vs subcaps but will be deadly to capitals, especially when sitting at 50-60km away.

Luckily their capacitor still blows. But as if we needed more incentive to stay away from pulsars, where the phoenixs short comings will be strengthened.


Phoenix is going to be even worse after this.

Don't waste your time and SP like I did.


I only hold onto hope that some day my SP will be vindicated when I buy a Levi :S

I been kicked out of better homes than this.
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