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Mining during a wardec?

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Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2014-05-18 13:49:52 UTC
Hi y'all.

I'm not a new player (relatively speaking) nor a miner. But I enjoy helping out people, for example spending some time in Rookie Help channel when I make a new alt.

Wardecs can be a challenge to new players, but to me it's clear how it's fairly easy to travel, haul, explore and even mission in highsec during a war.

However, I would think that mining effectively is a big PITA during a wardec.

Anybody have any advice on how to pull that off, too?

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Kitty Bear
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#2 - 2014-05-18 14:03:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Kitty Bear
mining ships aren't really built for combat, so it's not especially advisable
but if you have to .....

pay VERY close attention to local
stay aligned at all times
warp directly to a station & dock

then blow raspberries in local
Elzira Kore
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2014-05-18 14:05:47 UTC
The basic idea: Only mine in systems with a station. Keep local open at all times and as soon as you see a wartarget appear in local, dock and/or call in reinforcements.

You can also research where your wartargets are most active and go in the other direction to mine. It helps to know if the corp/alliance declaring war is doing so specifically to target you or if they're just one of those wardec corps that spam wardecs and then sit on major trade routes / busy systems. The latter is obviously far easier to avoid.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#4 - 2014-05-18 14:06:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Kitty Bear wrote:
mining ships aren't really built for combat, so it's not especially advisable
but if you have to .....

pay VERY close attention to local

And use a Procurer or Skiff, alternatively use Ventures, because they're cheap, and awesome.

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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#5 - 2014-05-18 16:19:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Vimsy Vortis
Don't mine while you're at war unless you want to explode.

Alternatively if you're bait in a trap.

edit: Actually just do the trap thing, it'll be more fun.
Amonios Zula
Aeon Ascendant
#6 - 2014-05-18 16:43:09 UTC
Or mine in Lowsec and ofc follow the above advice about watching local & be fast in hightailing to a station should pirates attend.
most WTs wouldn't go there.
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#7 - 2014-05-18 17:05:27 UTC
Amonios Zula wrote:
most WTs wouldn't go there.

That's not even remotely true. If a locator comes back saying you're in space in a lowsec a neutral scout is going to go and see what you're up to. If they find you sitting in a belt mining I guarantee someone will be down shortly in an interceptor.
Orla- King-Griffin
#8 - 2014-05-18 17:09:00 UTC
Kitty Bear wrote:

then blow raspberries in local

that made me smile.Big smile

Ah shite...

Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2014-05-18 17:38:57 UTC
Kitty Bear wrote:
mining ships aren't really built for combat, so it's not especially advisable
but if you have to .....

pay VERY close attention to local
stay aligned at all times
warp directly to a station & dock

then blow raspberries in local

what's the best technique to mine aligned?

have 2 safesposts in opposite directions from the asteroid belt?

then align alternatively to one and the other?

being careful to not get caught with your panties down while doing your 180°? else somebody will put you at 90° (as we say in Italy)?

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Bethan Le Troix
Krusual Investigation Agency
#10 - 2014-05-18 17:48:22 UTC
Gully Alex Foyle wrote:
Hi y'all.

I'm not a new player (relatively speaking) nor a miner. But I enjoy helping out people, for example spending some time in Rookie Help channel when I make a new alt.

Wardecs can be a challenge to new players, but to me it's clear how it's fairly easy to travel, haul, explore and even mission in highsec during a war.

However, I would think that mining effectively is a big PITA during a wardec.

Anybody have any advice on how to pull that off, too?


The usual practise would be for members of the corp to stay in dock until the wardec is over. Alternate methods are to engage another corp who like to PvP to join your corp and do the fighting for you. This may or may not involve payment. Another method is to get out there and fight them yourself but you don't want to be losing in battle if you take this option. Final choice may be to join another corp temporarily or join an NPC corp until the wardec is over.

One corp I have to keep an eye on has recently moved to alternate player corps three times and had a wardec issued on each one. So four wardecs.

I don't have time to list all the best tactics to avoid wardecs atm. Some points include NOT joining a player corp advertising itself as a mining corp or one that buys all ore. Not clearing all the belts out in a system or cherrypicking certain ores - certain to **** others off doing that. Don't mine AFK or use ISBoxer type software or fly multiple mining accounts all started at the same date and maybe with similar or boring char names. Ways to avoid wardecs are as you can see fairly numerous.
Cannibal Kane
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2014-05-18 18:23:15 UTC
Amonios Zula wrote:
Or mine in Lowsec and ofc follow the above advice about watching local & be fast in hightailing to a station should pirates attend.
most WTs wouldn't go there.


My last war targets thought so to.

"Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk

Kitty Bear
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#12 - 2014-05-18 19:02:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Kitty Bear
Gully Alex Foyle wrote:
Kitty Bear wrote:
mining ships aren't really built for combat, so it's not especially advisable
but if you have to .....

pay VERY close attention to local
stay aligned at all times
warp directly to a station & dock

then blow raspberries in local

what's the best technique to mine aligned?

have 2 safesposts in opposite directions from the asteroid belt?

then align alternatively to one and the other?

being careful to not get caught with your panties down while doing your 180°? else somebody will put you at 90° (as we say in Italy)?


setup bookmarks within the belts your mining
best place would be at opposite ends of the belt
if a belt is 100km wide, this makes you 50km away from the default warp in spot
then just warp to bookmarks, instead of the belt


align to a station, set max speed to about 30% for quick warping
repeat as necessary to stay in laser range of rocks

safe spots can be probed down (afaik)
warping to celestials (planets, moons etc) is not advisable, as interceptors warp very quickly now
they will get there before you, even if they left after you

mining whilst under a war-dec is a risk
it doesn't really matter how careful you are
if they really want to get you
they WILL get you
Jur Tissant
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2014-05-18 20:58:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Jur Tissant
Corps that wardec in high-sec often (but not always) avoid low-sec. Find a low-population low-sec system and mine away at some Jaspet with a Procurer. If you want to mine in high, it's just a matter of keeping an eye on local. As soon as a war target appears, jump to station. The only way he'll be able to scan you down and catch you in time will be if your ship gets caught by terrible hitboxes (keep your distance from asteroids) or if you don't warp to 0 on the station (make a bookmark at the undock spot and this won't happen).

Although, sometimes they use scout alts to track your belt down so keep an eye out for those. A very cautious player will stay constantly aligned.
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#14 - 2014-05-18 23:48:55 UTC
Set traps. I wardecced a mining corp once, ran locates and saw they were mining in their usual home system. Thought 'yep, easy kills, they'll be in the icebelt, and I'll go there solo'. Jump into system (fortunately in a cheap ship) and boom, warp scrambled and popped before I get off the grid.

Came back prepared later and had a fight where we whelped them (lost a single Vexor, took out a Paladin, an Oneiros and a Vindicator plus a couple interceptors) so it ended well, but the trap definitely worked.

I support the New Order and CODE. alliance. www.minerbumping.com

Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#15 - 2014-05-18 23:50:44 UTC
Jur Tissant wrote:
Corps that wardec in high-sec often (but not always) avoid low-sec. Find a low-population low-sec system and mine away at some Jaspet with a Procurer. If you want to mine in high, it's just a matter of keeping an eye on local. As soon as a war target appears, jump to station. The only way he'll be able to scan you down and catch you in time will be if your ship gets caught by terrible hitboxes (keep your distance from asteroids) or if you don't warp to 0 on the station (make a bookmark at the undock spot and this won't happen).

Although, sometimes they use scout alts to track your belt down so keep an eye out for those. A very cautious player will stay constantly aligned.



Most predatory wardeccers will run locator agents regularly and will not fear a trip into lowsec or even non-sovereign null. Sov null is usually harder to get into.

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Lilliana Stelles
#16 - 2014-05-19 01:05:51 UTC
In a few weeks the prospect will be released. Just buy one and mine in nullsec.

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Raiz Nhell
PeregrineXII
#17 - 2014-05-19 01:13:50 UTC
Or just move your mining operations 25 jumps... have a second base somewhere out of the way.

Move over there quietly, mine, wait for wardec to drop before hauling minerals to trade hub.

Hopefully your corp mates provide more sport for the wardeccers and not jump out to the ass end of nowhere to get you...

There is no such thing as a fair fight...

If your fighting fair you have automatically put yourself at a disadvantage.

Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#18 - 2014-05-19 02:33:39 UTC
Raiz Nhell wrote:
Or just move your mining operations 25 jumps... have a second base somewhere out of the way.

Move over there quietly, mine, wait for wardec to drop before hauling minerals to trade hub.

Hopefully your corp mates provide more sport for the wardeccers and not jump out to the ass end of nowhere to get you...




If the wardeccers are competent, they will find you with locator agents.

I support the New Order and CODE. alliance. www.minerbumping.com

Cannibal Kane
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#19 - 2014-05-19 07:06:15 UTC
Raiz Nhell wrote:
Or just move your mining operations 25 jumps... have a second base somewhere out of the way.

Move over there quietly, mine, wait for wardec to drop before hauling minerals to trade hub.

Hopefully your corp mates provide more sport for the wardeccers and not jump out to the ass end of nowhere to get you...



That does not work.

I have over 200 locators including the locates channel. A competent wardeccer will always find you. Always.

"Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk

Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2014-05-19 12:28:18 UTC
Thanks all for your kind replies.

Overall I understand you could even attempt to mine under a highsec wardec if you're on the ball and the deccers are incompetent or lazy. I guess at least some of the corps that randomly wardec noob corps are.

OTOH, professional, dedicated merc corps - and Kane, obviously - would make mining all but impossible.

All this 'new player highsec survival' research inspired an idea that I posted here. I would appreciate it if y'all would have a look and maybe comment - even to say it's crap.

People - even zealous ex-CSM delegates - sometimes suggest abolishing non-consensual wardecs 'for the sake of the New Players' What?. I think that's bullsh*t so I tried to come up with a better way of helping out newbros with EVE's challenges.

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