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Medium Drone Operation

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Chi'Nane T'Kal
Interminatus
#21 - 2014-05-15 14:48:51 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Xasnevian wrote:
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Nope, because there's nothing to be compensated for.

If you have either Combat Drone Operation or Scout Drone Operation (or both) trained to level 5 you get the maximum possible ranks of the new skills.


There's a long thread in GD with people arguing differently: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=343150

Could you confirm that you are aware of this?


Yes both CCP Rise and I are aware of that thread and the arguments made within it.


Might be a good idea to clear up the confusion created by the contradiction between your blog ( CDO x -> LDO x, MDO x ) and your forum post ( CDO x, SDO y -> LDO max(x,y), MDO max(x,y) ), no?

Also, what happens to the requirements of the tech II drone link augmentor module? (currently CDO V)
Marsha Mallow
#22 - 2014-05-15 21:15:14 UTC
This is an OUTRAGE
*thumps desk*
Yer, OK not really, but you communicate this stuff in the strangest way. I thought men were supposed to be concise, direct, logical etc, despite your strange communication skills and frankly, bizarre use of hairstyling products.

Please

  • update the Devblog with the correct info
  • in future relink all adjustments in the blog/OP asap* rather than haggling in threads
  • resubmit the adjustments to blog listings so people are alerted to change(s)

*there are way too many adjustments to monitor these feedback threads and still have time to live

I might say thanks if you obey. Then you can have the hose.

Tia

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Sweets > U can dd my face any day

Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#23 - 2014-05-16 07:38:21 UTC
Should have just based LDO on SDO and MDO on CDO and if people lost access to T2 mediums well too bad.

Mocam
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2014-05-16 12:20:54 UTC
Chi'Nane T'Kal wrote:
...

Also, what happens to the requirements of the tech II drone link augmentor module? (currently CDO V)


Really good question there.

With the split, if they move it under one of the new skills, some people are liable to lose access to this module or require some strange training to get access to it (putting it under Light or Medium Drones would require that type to be trained - when you plan on using Sentries? ...)
Joe Baarim
Baarim Industries
#25 - 2014-05-17 19:30:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Joe Baarim
Mocam wrote:
Chi'Nane T'Kal wrote:
...

Also, what happens to the requirements of the tech II drone link augmentor module? (currently CDO V)


Really good question there.

With the split, if they move it under one of the new skills, some people are liable to lose access to this module or require some strange training to get access to it (putting it under Light or Medium Drones would require that type to be trained - when you plan on using Sentries? ...)



The storyline Black Eagle DLA was put under the new Drone Avionics skill. I'd imagine the T1, T2, officer/faction DLAs will be put under it also on some update soonish. On the current update they are still on the Light Drone Operation skill (carried over from the change I guess).
Mario Putzo
#26 - 2014-05-18 02:04:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Mario Putzo
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Jane Shapperd wrote:
So what about those who trained both skills Combat Drone Operation & Scout Drone Operation to 5

will they be compensated for training combat drone operation ?

as if they didn't train combat drone operation to 5 , they will get both new skills to level 5


Nope, because there's nothing to be compensated for.

If you have either Combat Drone Operation or Scout Drone Operation (or both) trained to level 5 you get the maximum possible ranks of the new skills.


Kinda sad to hear this. While I personally don't lose skills or access to anything I trained. I do lose the advantage I got over pilots who have not trained to the same level of skills as me. It is very disappointing to watch a combat advantage be stripped from people and gifted to others.

If someone with SDO 5 and CDO 1 is being given the exact same capacity to use drones as someone with SDO 5 AND CDO 5, that doesn't seem like it is keeping the status quo the same...

As such there is most certainly something that players should be compensated for. You are essentially giving 10 days of training out to people that I spent the time on for the sole purpose of having an advantage over those who did not.

When you guys gave everyone the same base Learning Skills you returned SP to people who had them trained, those who had higher levels got more, those who didn't train them got them, but no SP. I don't see why this isn't any different, you are gifting people CDO 5.

(It also works in the inverse for people who for whatever reason have SDO 1 and CDO 5.)
Loraine Gess
Confedeferate Union of Tax Legalists
#27 - 2014-05-18 03:16:47 UTC
Mario Putzo wrote:
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Jane Shapperd wrote:
So what about those who trained both skills Combat Drone Operation & Scout Drone Operation to 5

will they be compensated for training combat drone operation ?

as if they didn't train combat drone operation to 5 , they will get both new skills to level 5


Nope, because there's nothing to be compensated for.

If you have either Combat Drone Operation or Scout Drone Operation (or both) trained to level 5 you get the maximum possible ranks of the new skills.


Kinda sad to hear this. While I personally don't lose skills or access to anything I trained. I do lose the advantage I got over pilots who have not trained to the same level of skills as me. It is very disappointing to watch a combat advantage be stripped from people and gifted to others.

If someone with SDO 5 and CDO 1 is being given the exact same capacity to use drones as someone with SDO 5 AND CDO 5, that doesn't seem like it is keeping the status quo the same...

As such there is most certainly something that players should be compensated for. You are essentially giving 10 days of training out to people that I spent the time on for the sole purpose of having an advantage over those who did not.

When you guys gave everyone the same base Learning Skills you returned SP to people who had them trained, those who had higher levels got more, those who didn't train them got them, but no SP. I don't see why this isn't any different, you are gifting people CDO 5.

(It also works in the inverse for people who for whatever reason have SDO 1 and CDO 5.)



You got an advantage. You have an advantage. Until Kronos deploys. Don't like that? Don't train it.
Sgt Ocker
What Corp is it
#28 - 2014-05-18 03:59:44 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
The skill upgrade script that will be run on TQ has not been run on SISI. The information in my post that Joe linked is indeed still accurate.

I'm wondering, previously you have said, the highest of Scout Drone operation "or" Combat Drone operation will be translated to Light Drone operation and Medium Drone operation.
Currently on Sisi my toons with Scout Drone operation 5 and Combat Drone operation 5 have Light Drone Operation 5 and Medium Drones unlocked to train.
Yet 1 toon I have has Scout Drone operation 5 and Combat Drone operation 3 and only has Light Drone Operation 3

I know the script hasn't been run on Sisi but my question is - Will combat Drone Operation override Scout Drone Operation as it still says in the Blog, or is your update in "giving drones an assist" the correct way in which the skills will be applied.

Scout Drone Operation 5 & Combat Drone Operation 3 = Light Drone Operation 5 & Medium Drone Operation 5.

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It really is getting harder and harder to justify $23 a month for each sub.

Mocam
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2014-05-18 05:54:42 UTC
Joe Baarim wrote:
Mocam wrote:
Chi'Nane T'Kal wrote:
...

Also, what happens to the requirements of the tech II drone link augmentor module? (currently CDO V)


Really good question there.

With the split, if they move it under one of the new skills, some people are liable to lose access to this module or require some strange training to get access to it (putting it under Light or Medium Drones would require that type to be trained - when you plan on using Sentries? ...)



The storyline Black Eagle DLA was put under the new Drone Avionics skill. I'd imagine the T1, T2, officer/faction DLAs will be put under it also on some update soonish. On the current update they are still on the Light Drone Operation skill (carried over from the change I guess).


I noticed that but it's the first-pass load so nothing is "fixed" as in in place. Having 2 modules of the same type with different skills as prerequisites shows it's not "properly" deployed.

I'm guessing they'll be put under Drone Avionics but that's a guess and nothing has been stated nor "consistently" shown yet.
Owen Levanth
Sagittarius Unlimited Exploration
#30 - 2014-05-19 20:21:06 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Xasnevian wrote:
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Nope, because there's nothing to be compensated for.

If you have either Combat Drone Operation or Scout Drone Operation (or both) trained to level 5 you get the maximum possible ranks of the new skills.


There's a long thread in GD with people arguing differently: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=343150

Could you confirm that you are aware of this?


Yes both CCP Rise and I are aware of that thread and the arguments made within it.


That's one way of saying it. My head started to hurt around page 4 in that thread and I jumped ship. I just now skimmed the last few pages and I've decided I was very lucky to do so.

Sometimes I think you guys are saints, I sure as hell would flip my **** long before page goddamn thirty-one of that masterpiece of circle-jerking.
Money Makin Mitch
Paid in Full
#31 - 2014-05-19 21:43:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Money Makin Mitch
Desert Ice78 wrote:

On the contrary!! I trained Combat Drone Op 5 for nothing (expecting the get medium drone op 5 in return.) Now you say I only needed scout drone op to 5, which I had already trained, and combat drone op to 1. What about the wasted levels 2-5? I expect to get something for something here.....

These are not "new" skills. Your just changing the names about, and making one of them redundant past level 1.

This. I wasted a full 60d worth of training (10d x 6 toons) on a worthless skill due to a ****** devblog. You guys forget that this is a subscription based game and time is money?
mithrandiir min
Horde Armada
Pandemic Horde
#32 - 2014-05-22 09:00:33 UTC
can some one update if the medium drone operation will need trained or will it be updated to are skill sheet if so when will it be updated . thanks in advance Roll
Saberlily Whyteshadow
Perkone
Caldari State
#33 - 2014-05-23 10:45:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Saberlily Whyteshadow
Once again following the same footsteps of rapid missile launcher systems.. "You do as I want, your feedback is invalid"
Suitonia
Order of the Red Kestrel
#34 - 2014-05-29 06:32:56 UTC
I think the lack of feedback to the problem is what is causing people to be angry, in the past, whenever a skill has been removed or changed, players have received maximum reimbursement for SP. I.e. When learning skills were removed, when the social skills were refined into 3 separate skills, battlecruiser/destroyer changes, etc.

Now we have an issue where if you have Combat Drone Operation 5 AND Scout drone Operation 5, you are effectively losing the 512,000 SP you invested into Combat Drone Operation 5. I think many players trained for, and were recommended to, train for Combat Drone Operation as it would have been a good investment for their SP.

I understand that you don't want to lock out players from Tech II Lights/Mediums if they can already use those Drones.

Perhaps you could do a simple check and reimburse SP to unallocated SP if a Player has both Scout Drone Operation and Combat Drone Operation at the same level?

I.e.
IF
Scout Drone Operation is EQUAL TO OR GREATER THAN Combat Drone Operation;
Any SP in Combat Drone Operation is moved to unallocated SP.
Light Drone, Medium Drone, and Drone Avionics become same level as current Scout Drone Operation
ELSE
Any SP in Scout Drone Operation is moved to unallocated SP.
Light Drone, Medium Drone, and Drone Avionics become same level as current Combat Drone Operation.

I think this would be the absolute fairest method to deal with this.

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Nami Kumamato
Perkone
Caldari State
#35 - 2014-05-29 08:35:10 UTC
I have Scout Drone Operation at V (recently finished).
I also have Combat Drone Operation at III.

Dev guys, can you please tell me how will these 2 skills look after Kronos?

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